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#233394 Transam1 (User) Gold Boarder Posts: 650 Bike runs with PMS closed all the way ? ! 2 Years, 7 Months ago   Should the bike continue to run with the PMS turned all the way in ? I ended up adjusting the pms while the bike was running. Closed all the way and it ran rough but continued to run, then turned it out until the bike idle went up and ran smoother. I now have a big bog where the bike cuts out when I snap open the throttle. Idles fine though.I'm currently running the needle on the 3rd clip and a #170 main. I romped on it hard coming home and saw a bunch of smoke. Should I raise that needle ? I'm at 6500ft. Thanks, The adventure continues, Chris   Logged       The administrator has disabled public write access. #233403 Curt (Moderator) Never to old to ride! Moderator Posts: 12504 Re:Bike runs with PMS closed all the way ? ! 2 Years, 7 Months ago   How many turn out of the PMS are you? Where is you accelerator pump set? 170 main should be good for your elevation. You may have an air leak have you checked for that?   Logged     My Site Black Ice is Shiny, Black Ice is Deadly, Ya Wanna Ride My BlackIce?   The administrator has disabled public write access. #233408 Transam1 (User) Gold Boarder Posts: 650 Re:Bike runs with PMS closed all the way ? ! 2 Years, 7 Months ago   Haven't cranked it in to get a count. I adjusted just like I do my holley carb on the car. Did orginally have it set at 2 1/2 out and it popped through the pipes something fierce and it would cough through the carb. Now it feels sluggish and will darn near die when I crack the throttle. It seems to do this worse once it warms up. Dynojets initial setup recommends 4th clip and #195 main which is the same as a 183 Mikuni,3 1/2 turns out on the pms and a 137 pilot. Seems very rich to me. Checked the boots on both sides of carb. Will check with wd40 or something tomorrow to see if I have a leak. thanks, chris   Logged     Last Edit: 2009/10/26 22:28 By Transam1.     The administrator has disabled public write access. #233413 Curt (Moderator) Never to old to ride! Moderator Posts: 12504 Re:Bike runs with PMS closed all the way ? ! 2 Years, 7 Months ago   Yep sure sounds like an air leak to me, make sure you carb is seated in the groves in the manifild and the clamp is tight but don't over tighten it. Check the manifold and pipes too.   Logged     My Site Black Ice is Shiny, Black Ice is Deadly, Ya Wanna Ride My BlackIce?   The administrator has disabled public write access. #233414 Transam1 (User) Gold Boarder Posts: 650 Re:Bike runs with PMS closed all the way ? ! 2 Years, 7 Months ago   Will do. Will pickup some wd40 and will re-examine the boots. What is this smoke test I keep hearing about ? Thanks   Logged       The administrator has disabled public write access. #233418 PapaTom (Moderator) I said 4 quarts. Moderator Posts: 3178 Re:Bike runs with PMS closed all the way ? ! 2 Years, 7 Months ago   Some will use an incense stick or similar thing to see if the smoke gets sucked in anywhere around the carb, manifold, etc.   Logged     FREE SPIRIT 2007 Silverado   The administrator has disabled public write access. #233439 Flashback (Moderator) Just the facts, Ma'am.. Moderator Posts: 9221 Re:Bike runs with PMS closed all the way ? ! 2 Years, 7 Months ago   Most folks use the smoke test to check for leaks in the exhaust, but I guess it could also be used for intake..   Logged       The administrator has disabled public write access. #233460 JDoza (User) Junior Boarder Posts: 172 Re:Bike runs with PMS closed all the way ? ! 2 Years, 7 Months ago   Transam1 wrote: Haven't cranked it in to get a count. I adjusted just like I do my holley carb on the car. Did orginally have it set at 2 1/2 out and it popped through the pipes something fierce and it would cough through the carb. Now it feels sluggish and will darn near die when I crack the throttle. It seems to do this worse once it warms up. Dynojets initial setup recommends 4th clip and #195 main which is the same as a 183 Mikuni,3 1/2 turns out on the pms and a 137 pilot. Seems very rich to me. Checked the boots on both sides of carb. Will check with wd40 or something tomorrow to see if I have a leak. thanks, chris Check for leaks like what has been mentioned. I use the Dyna Kit. Go back to the stock 35 primary. I would would also put in a 180 main jet if you have one. Definitely move the needle to the 3rd clip. Start your PMS at 2 turns out and tweak it from there. The Baron's jet kit is a favorite because it comes with the most usable sized main jet for the R*. At your elevation I would try the DJ175 main, stock primary, needle on 3rd groove, and PMS 2 turns out. I'll keep track of this thread to see how it works out for you. *Edited for spelling*   Logged     Last Edit: 2009/10/27 09:50 By JDoza.   2006 Candy Red RoadStar...I can not ride it enough. US Army, 19 plus years and still serving. http://www.lukegk28.org ISRA# 25919   The administrator has disabled public write access. #233475 Transam1 (User) Gold Boarder Posts: 650 Re:Bike runs with PMS closed all the way ? ! 2 Years, 7 Months ago   JDoza wrote: Transam1 wrote: Haven't cranked it in to get a count. I adjusted just like I do my holley carb on the car. Did orginally have it set at 2 1/2 out and it popped through the pipes something fierce and it would cough through the carb. Now it feels sluggish and will darn near die when I crack the throttle. It seems to do this worse once it warms up. Dynojets initial setup recommends 4th clip and #195 main which is the same as a 183 Mikuni,3 1/2 turns out on the pms and a 137 pilot. Seems very rich to me. Checked the boots on both sides of carb. Will check with wd40 or something tomorrow to see if I have a leak. thanks, chris Check for leaks like what has been mentioned. I use the Dyna Kit. Go back to the stock 35 primary. I would would also put in a 180 main jet if you have one. Definitely move the needle to the 3rd clip. Start your PMS at 2 turns out and tweak it from there. The Baron's jet kit is a favorite because it comes with the most usable sized main jet for the R*. At your elevation I would try the DJ175 main, stock primary, needle on 3rd groove, and PMS 2 turns out. I'll keep track of this thread to see how it works out for you. *Edited for spelling* I never went to the 137 pilot as everyone here were using the stock ones. I had the 175 main originally but went to the #170 when I took it apart this time. needle is allready at 3rd groove, wondering if I should go to 2nd ? I was at 2 1/2 turn on pms. Float level looked good on measurement. I'll count the turns as I back it in today. Is the bike still supposed to run with the pms all the way in ? It's in the teens this morning so I'll wait a bit to check it again. Thanks again to everyone for the help, Chris   Logged       The administrator has disabled public write access. #233518 Transam1 (User) Gold Boarder Posts: 650 Re:Bike runs with PMS closed all the way ? ! 2 Years, 7 Months ago   Well just checked the bike again. Turned the pms in t0 2 turns out. Still stumbling. So I took tank off set it to the side and looked in the manifold and there is raw fuel in the boot exiting the carb. So I started the bike and squirted carb cleaner near the clamp where the carb mounts to the manifold boot. Thought I noticed a stumble so I blasted it good and hard and the bike eventually died. Repeated the spraying and replicated the results. Took the carb off remounted tightened the clamp same thing. Pulled the carb and I see no tears or holes. I'm going to check the float again since I have it off and will put a band of electrical tape around the carb throat to see if that will seal. What a pain in the A ! Chris   Logged     Last Edit: 2009/10/27 14:18 By Transam1.     The administrator has disabled public write access.

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