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baron big air kit with vance pro pipe 2 Years, 1 Month ago  
I have a 2002 roady, I am putting a vance and hines pro pipe on it and the barons big air kit. I also have the stock carb in the bike along with a dyna 3000. I think i need to move to a 170 main jet and move the needle one position down. I am in detroit michigan if this helps anyone with elavation. does this sound correct. I just want to make sure I am close so i dont blue or gold the pipes. Thanks for any feed back
 
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Re:baron big air kit with vance pro pipe 2 Years, 1 Month ago  


From BillD in Michigan
'Sorry, I can't help you as I'm running EFI but the other guys here will give you a lot of good advice.
BTW: Did you happen to contact Baron's with your question?
 
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Re:baron big air kit with vance pro pipe 2 Years, 1 Month ago  
170, needle, 4th groove counting from blunt end. be careful taking the cap off for the needle, small spring that easy to fly away. also be careful on float bowl, there is a o-ring gasket that goes around the edge, and a really small o-ring that fits in a recess where the accelerator pump mechanism is as well. also, pull straight up on that plug, it is held in by friction fit by 4 fingers and can break if you wiggle it out too much, a little saliva on o-ring plug helps to put it back in too.

I would set the pilot screw at 2 turns out from a light seat to start, raise the idle up a bit at the idle knob,this is just to ensure that it won't stall while engine is sill cold, after a 15min ride, pull over in a safe spot and readjust the idle, a ride, not 15mins at idle, you need a completely warm engine to make final adjustment on idle and on Pilot screw

after ride, and if necessary, make adjustment to pilot screw.
cruise mileage test, I use the same that mikuni uses for there HSR carb, 65mph on a flat windless road, I like this due to that it's somewhat of a controlled condition. I do usually a 100mile ride, and hold a steady speed. anywhere form 40 to 50mpg is an acceptable range

I would also suggest to port the manifold, the stock leaves a lot to be desired, it has sharp corners and causes turbulence, even just rounding out the corners reduces turbulence and help to atomize the gas more efficiently, and can give a slight boost to HP as well, usually 2 to 5 hp increase, depends upon the efficiency of the porting.

Also suggest to remove AIS, and make sure there are no air leaks at manifold to head joints, carb to manifold joint, and if AIS removed, a good seal on manifold vacuum port. I use starter fluid since it will detect the smallest of leaks since it is very volatile compared to carb cleaner or wd40
 
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Re:baron big air kit with vance pro pipe 2 Years, 1 Month ago  
Where are you in Detroit. I live downriver...
 
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Re:baron big air kit with vance pro pipe 2 Years, 1 Month ago  
Your at 581 feet so you can try Erbmans settings. If that doesn't work well for you go to a 172.5 clip on 3, white spacer and two silver washers under the spacer.
 
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Re:baron big air kit with vance pro pipe 2 Years, 1 Month ago  
Thanks for the great advice. I have alread removed the ais. As far as the tabs thanks for the heads up. I will try to break into the carb and do the mod soon as the next rainy day we have here.

joe48146 - I am around the mt. clemens area actually. you doing the blessing of the bikes out at hell on may23? Nice ride to get out their.
 
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Re:baron big air kit with vance pro pipe 2 Years, 1 Month ago  
well i got into the carb today. I have the stock needle and their is no groves to move the needle up and down. when i got into the bottom of the carb it had a 190 jet in it. wouldnt switching the jet to a 170 make it even leaner? any sugestion?
 
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Re:baron big air kit with vance pro pipe 2 Years, 1 Month ago  
To do it right your gonna have to get a jet kit so you will have an adjustable needle.
I'm also from the area (Westland)
 
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Re:baron big air kit with vance pro pipe 2 Years, 1 Month ago  
You sure could use the Barons jet kit. You can play around all day with just jets and the stock needle and nevre get there.
 
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Re:baron big air kit with vance pro pipe 2 Years, 1 Month ago  
whaley01 wrote:
well i got into the carb today. I have the stock needle and their is no groves to move the needle up and down. when i got into the bottom of the carb it had a 190 jet in it. wouldnt switching the jet to a 170 make it even leaner? any sugestion?

No .. with the stock needle you can't go to a Mikuni 170.

When I ran the Propipe I used a 170 with the needle on 4 and one washer but I had to change the pilot to a 37.5.

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