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Re:eliminated my fuel pump 1 Year, 6 Months ago  
Not draining the whole tank is the issue I don't like. Not that I'm wanting to stay in the saddle for 200 mi, but there are some remote sections I like to travel and want that kind of range.

for any one wanting part # for the grizzly valve: (in the future)

Yamaha 660 Grizzly
NEEDLE VALVE ASSY
2C6-14190-30-00 (replaces 5KM-14190-30-00)
Link to Grizzly Needle Valve in fiche
 
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Re:eliminated my fuel pump 1 Year, 6 Months ago  
Well look at it this way. With 3/4 tank, cap on and the vent hooked up to the rollover valve mine will flow about 26 ounces/minute from the petcock. With the carb bowl off, the float at full drop and the pump running the most that will flow through the float valve is between 10 and 12 ounces/minute. That's why I stated that the petcock will flow more than the carb will use.

And yes the Grizzly valve is the best because it has the largest opening (3 mm)anyone has found for the stock carburetor. The 42's use a 4.2 mm opening for pumpless use and I wish there was one that size for the stock carburetor out there somewhere.

Others have stated that they can see the air at the top of the fuel filter and haven't had any problem running the tank dry. Without the filter mine would always run dry at just under 1/4 tank with the petcock in the regular position. I put my pump back on before I found out about the filter thing but plan on taking it back off this winter.

The other thing I had to do was raise the float level up to between 5 and 6 mm's above the bowl seam to get the running level right. The reason for that is because the float has to drop farther to provide the same flow rate at speed than it does when the pump is hooked up. Obviously the pump can force more fuel through the very small opening when the float first opens the valve than gravity can.

It's true that cutting some off the stand pipe will allow more fuel to flow from the tank but it also means that there will be less fuel left for reserve. It doesn't cure the problem.

You can try it with the rear spring set at the full 2" preload if you want but from my experience that's a really rough ride. I like the fuel filter fix the best. And 45 degrees on the filter is probably fine as long as the air can gather at the top and flow back up to the tank. The trick seems to be not to let any air get into the line to the carburetor.

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Re:eliminated my fuel pump 1 Year, 6 Months ago  
I'm not sure if this has been discussed or not and if so I apologize. On a 08 fuel injected model could the fuel pump removal work, and if so has anyone done it and if they who have wouldn't mind explaining what they did I would greatly appreciate it.
 
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Re:eliminated my fuel pump 1 Year, 6 Months ago  
Babolp wrote:
I'm not sure if this has been discussed or not and if so I apologize. On a 08 fuel injected model could the fuel pump removal work, and if so has anyone done it and if they who have wouldn't mind explaining what they did I would greatly appreciate it.

No you need your pump for the FI bikes.

I have removed the pump from 3 seperate bikes and have never had an issue. One I went all out and did the Pingel petcock, filter, suzuki valve (this was before the Grizzly valve had been discovered), and vented gas cap. It never starved for fuel and there was no change on the amount I could get out of the tank. The other 2 just got suzuki valves, fuel filter, and vented caps. Again - no issues whatsoever. I bet it is a combination of Jetting and float level. Most shops/dealers want to put a huge main jet even with just the addition of exhaust. So they are probably sucking more gas than they need to anyway. Thanks to this site a while ago I discovered that the big main jet that companies like Cobra and Dynojet recommend are not necessary. So with that and the float adjusted to where it's filling the bowl completely without overflow I think is why I have have never had an issue. The fuel filter may have something to do with being able to get all the gas out of the tank. I have had mine mounted as close to the petcock as possible (at about a 45 degree angle) so if it did ever clog it was easily accessible. I have used the Russel brand filters that can be unscrewed, blown out, or the element can be replaced and have been happy with them.
 
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Re:eliminated my fuel pump 1 Year, 6 Months ago  
Thanks Shamrock, I guess a relocation is in my future then.
 
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Re:eliminated my fuel pump 1 Year, 6 Months ago  
Babolp wrote:
Thanks Shamrock, I guess a relocation is in my future then.

The pump for your fi model is in your tank. I would not move it at all
 
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Re:eliminated my fuel pump 1 Year, 6 Months ago  
SMOKINJOE wrote:
i park the bike in my garage ,will i now smell gas fumes if i vent the cap?

Yes...
 
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Re:eliminated my fuel pump 1 Year, 5 Months ago  
Any chance the fuel pump removal would work without changing to the Grizzly or Suzuki valve? Will the bike run or just starve and die?
 
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i park the bike in my garage ,will i now smell gas fumes if i vent the cap?

Yup, my wife hates that...
 
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Re:eliminated my fuel pump 1 Year, 5 Months ago  
polishdog wrote:
Any chance the fuel pump removal would work without changing to the Grizzly or Suzuki valve? Will the bike run or just starve and die?

Some say yes, some say no. Suppose you could try it then change to the Grizzly if needed.
 
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