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Did I make a Mistake 4 Years, 1 Month ago  
Got my Roadie back from the dealer had him look at and rejet it
It is a california Bike I just got last fall Took off all the AIS crap, it has Sampson Pipes with a K&N Filter
It just didn't seem to Idle to well, Not knowing anything about Jetting I took it to the dealer Here is what it had

MAIN JET DYNO 190
PJ 35
4TH CLIP
5.5 TURNS ON THE PMS

HERE IS WHAT HE PUT IN:

MAIN 182.5
PJ 37.5
3ND CLIP
CO% 3.8 HE DIDN'T COUNT THE TURNS SET BY % ON THE PMS DOES ANYONE KNOW WHAT THIS % WOULD RELATE TO IN TURNS?

It runs better but it seems to be very cold blooded I took it back to the dealer and he said it was set for warmer temp.
It is 50 degrees here now.It also seems to backfire while just cruising Does this sound right or should I start looking for a better set-up

I live at 4200' elevation, 1700, 2004 midnight silverado. I think the PMS should be opened some
 
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Re:Re-Jetted 4 Years, 1 Month ago  
Stock air box? No holes drilled in it? If that is the case , You most likely did Not need a rejet. Maybe an adjustment on the PMS for light backfire but it will likely be too rich now and that leads to other issues. BB
 
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Re:Re-Jetted 4 Years, 1 Month ago  
RoadieSL,
I'm no expert when it comes to jetting (or anything else for that matter! ), but judging by your elevation, I'd say you're too rich. According to the instructions in the Cobra jet kit (which is made by DynaJet), your main jet is too big. You are running the stock main, but they recommend using a DJ165 or DJ170 at elevations above 3,000ft.

And from personal experience, I'd say your pilot jet is too big also. I had my bike rejetted for the same reason and the shop installed the DJ37 pilot jet. The bike ran great, but my MPGs dropped off big time and when I checked my plugs after a 1,000 miles or so, they were as black and sootie as a chimney!! So on the advice I got here (RSC), I reinstalled the stock 35 pilot jet.

Again, I'm no expert, so hopefully some others with more knowledge will jump in and add their expertise on the matter.

Good luck!

In The Wind,
Aaron
 
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Re:Re-Jetted 4 Years, 1 Month ago  
You can't relate PMS turns to %CO as there is not data out there. I think your %CO levl is in the ballpart; Gram has done some exahust gas analysis so he may be able to comment furthur.

For your elevation (4200' I think you may be on the rich side. The main you now have in there is the stock Mikuni main. OK for the stock needle but too fat for the Dyna ? needle. I would move the clip to the 5ht slot and test out the main (WOT test).

Once the main is dialed in, move the clip to 3 with 2 washers under the white spacer and test drive. You should also be able to tell if the pilot is too big.

You have a 2004 model so you need to keep the jetting away from the rich side or you may run into SVS problems.

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Re:Did I make a Mistake 4 Years, 1 Month ago  
The main is too large for any aftermarket needle RoadieSL. You need to get to the right main size or put the stock needle back in. Quickest solution will be to put the stock needle back in (if you have not modified the stock airbox for more venting).

With an aftermarket needle you are going to need a main jet (MIK) that is smaller than 175. Most likely with stock airbox either a 172.5, a 170, or amybe even a 167.5.

The dealer must have used the third clip because the main was too large. Its a VERY restrictive clip position and real tough to tune for as it never really lets the main get fully open like it should. That would explain the 3.8% CO. 3.8 to 4.2 is in the zone for a Road Star but you didn't tell us what RPM that was at. At Idle Road Stars should really be at 4.0 or slightly higher, at any other speed 3.8 or higher (in reality it goes all over the board at different RPMS -don't fixate over this- if your going tune for it get it right at idle, and right at rpms above the torque peak - torque peak is point of greatest engine vibration).

Right now you are running on the needle rather than the main and that is miserable and not very good for drivability. With a Dyna needle you should really be on 4th or 5th clip position.

SO..... if you want to do this yourself, do this:

Go buy a mikuni 170 main, and if you want to hegde your bet a 167.5 and 172.5 as well. Put the 170 in, set needle to 5th clip position and adjust the pms for middle position between stumble from too far in and stumble for too far out. If you never get to stumble for too far in your main is too large (replace with next smaller main and start over - don't even have to leave the garage on that one).

Then do a WOT test to see if the main is too small. If it is, replace with next size up main and start over. Since the needle will be in 5th position, its going to be running rich unless you get lucky enough to match the main exactly (rare but it happens on some bikes) so don't judge drivability. Just get it warmed up and test the main. When you have the right main, try adjusting the needle to 4th clip position (adjust PMS again) and check drivability (ignore idle and closed thottle drivability). If you can maintain smooth acceleration once your off the line 4th is a good clip position for you and will get better gas mileage. If you can't it is most likely too lean.

Then, crem de' le crem, find the article in the Tech Articles about dialing in the PMS and go for a dial in ride. Or, just find the mid point between stumbles and make adjustments when you think you need to.

Gram
 
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Re:Did I make a Mistake 4 Years, 1 Month ago  
GRAM Go buy a mikuni 170 main, and if you want to hegde your bet a 167.5 and 172.5 as well. Put the 170 in, set needle to 5th clip position and adjust the pms for middle position between stumble from too far in and stumble for too far out. If you never get to stumble for too far in your main is too large (replace with next smaller main and start over - don't even have to leave the garage on that one).
Gram you have me a little confused, I thought the pilot jet was effected by the pms..
 
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Re:Did I make a Mistake 4 Years, 1 Month ago  
It is, but the main is still delivering fuel at idle (in BSR40), just not a lot. If the main is too large it will blead enough to effectively disable the PMS circuits ability to reduce fuel to unnacceptable levels.

The key is that all circuits are active all the time. There is nothing in a BSR40 that turns any circuit of for any throttle position. But with the needle all the way down and the butterfly in back closed there is not enough air velocity to pull much fuel through the main. So if he can't get the bike to stumble at idle by turning the pms in, main is too large and bleading too much at idle.

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Re:Did I make a Mistake 4 Years, 1 Month ago  
Thanks for clearing that up for me...
 
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Re:Did I make a Mistake 4 Years, 1 Month ago  
I guess its kind of an on-stand sanity check when jetting. If the pms screw cant make the bike stumble when turning in, main is too large and leaking too much fuel at idle. If the pilot can't add enough fuel to make the bike stumble while screwing the pms out, pilot is too small.

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Re:Did I make a Mistake 4 Years, 1 Month ago  
THANK YOU GRAM!!

Just got done installing the jets and adjusting them as you suggested SHE RUNS LIKE A SCALDED DOG!!
Here is what I ended up with

MAIN 172.5
PILOT 35 STOCK
2.5 TURNS ON THE PMS
4TH CLIP

There is a couple of things that still concern me

1. I think it is going to be very cold blooded I can't test it until it get cold again
2 I have not bee able to do a WOT test since it is snowing here today but I think 5th gear might need some help!

any suggestions??
 
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