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Re:Jetting (imagine that) 5 Years, 10 Months ago  
Hey Vegas

Don't want you to be wrong but I sure hope you're wrong. It's not the money. I think the BAK with everything included is a pretty good deal. It's that I don't want to mess with jetting. The stock pipes ain't going back on if I can help it but I think I'd rather do that then jet. I know my bike would probably be a whole new animal if I did it but I think I'd end up hating the bike before I got there.
 
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Re:Jetting (imagine that) 5 Years, 10 Months ago  
It's the air-fuel ration entering the engine that affects how the engine runs and not so much the exhaust configuration.

Although the bike does benefit with tuning the carb after adding aftermarket pipes, it's not necessary. Most of the time a re-adjustment of the PMS is all that is needed.

On the other hand, once you do anything that gets more air into the engine (BAK), a re-jet of the carb is necessary so that the engine also gets more gas.

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Re:Jetting (imagine that) 5 Years, 10 Months ago  
Doc`s the expert I`m just going by the post`s I`ve been reading.
But from a restricted exhaust to just about stiaght pipes?
Just a thought! It`s been said too staight and you loose
your lower end torque!Think that`s correct
 
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Re:Jetting (imagine that) 5 Years, 10 Months ago  
I think there was something seriously wrong with my stock exhaust right from the get go. Plus from what I've read the new ones come set rich. I went from 27 mpg to 43 just by switching the pipes so I probably never had a normal responce to the throttle to begin with. I can say that the bike has all the torque I need. But I think that's right in there with "What exhaust sounds best" and which seat is most comfortable". I imagine you do lose some torque but I would ask, do you lose enough to matter for everyday riding? Or is it an issue of wanting to squeeze every last ponie you can get out of the bike?
 
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Re:Jetting (imagine that) 5 Years, 10 Months ago  
Pipe design is quite complex and involves the diameter and lengths of tubes, crossover placements, resistance to flow, etc. But, it's obvious to me through my 'seat-of-the-pants-testing' of various pipes and setups that you do sacrifice low end as you go to an open pipe.

Most of us drive our bikes in the lower rpm range, stoplight to spotlight, and that's where I found the biggest difference between an open pipe and a more restrictive design. Obviously if the pipe is too restrictive, you'll lose all-round.

When running straight pipes I found at WOT the bike 'seemed' (it's all perception ) to have more power, but takeoffs from lights and roll-ons were terrible. As I increased the resistance to flow of the exhaust gases I found the was able to improve the low end. As I do most of my driving at less than 1/2 throttle, it has worked for me.

I also found that going from a 2 to 1 design to a 2 to 2 that I also lost a bit on the low end. But in this case I was willing to sacrifice some low end power for the look I wanted.

Life is full of compromises. It's up to you to pick the best choice for your situation.

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Re:Jetting (imagine that) 5 Years, 10 Months ago  
DocShadow wrote:
Pipe design is quite complex and involves the diameter and lengths of tubes, crossover placements, resistance to flow, etc. But, it's obvious to me through my 'seat-of-the-pants-testing' of various pipes and setups that you do sacrifice low end as you go to an open pipe.

Most of us drive our bikes in the lower rpm range, stoplight to spotlight, and that's where I found the biggest difference between an open pipe and a more restrictive design. Obviously if the pipe is too restrictive, you'll lose all-round.

When running straight pipes I found at WOT the bike 'seemed' (it's all perception ) to have more power, but takeoffs from lights and roll-ons were terrible. As I increased the resistance to flow of the exhaust gases I found the was able to improve the low end. As I do most of my driving at less than 1/2 throttle, it has worked for me.

I also found that going from a 2 to 1 design to a 2 to 2 that I also lost a bit on the low end. But in this case I was willing to sacrifice some low end power for the look I wanted.

Life is full of compromises. It's up to you to pick the best choice for your situation.

Doc


Well Said Doc,and Musky I`m glad your not having any problem`s.I`ve been lucky
enough not to have alot of problem`s with my jetting,the dooley`s I have on I
think are fairly restrictive but open compared to stock.Also my Dyno numbers
came out right where DynoJet said they should be,even tho I was tuned leaner
than they would have had me.And Have since went even leaner.Hopefully my spark
plugs will be what I want to see. when I check them this weekend.
 
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Re:Jetting (imagine that) 5 Years, 10 Months ago  
Hey Vegas

Thing is, I don't know if i'm having problems. First R* I heard was mine and haven't been riding with anyone else who has one. I think it's OK but some one who really knows them might ask me what the hell I did to it Hate when that happens. I've been thinking about taking a page from my first bike. 305 honda Dream. They had basically heavy washers at the end of the pipes on pivot pins. If you wanted quieter you rotated the washers so it closed off the pipe except for the hole on the washer. Louder you rotated so the washer was flat across the opening. It could work the same for back pressure. If i'm going to be tooling around town I can close the washers (quieter and better response) and for highway I can open them. I was thinking of about a 1 & 1/4 inch hole on the washer. Who knows. I might like it with the washers closed and leave it like that. Now that's my thoughts but I need someone to shoot holes in it if it would require re tuning every time I moved the washers. Or any other probelms you can forsee. Waste of time.......
 
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Re:Jetting (imagine that) 5 Years, 10 Months ago  
Found a pretty good article on exhaust theory out on the "Thunder Monsters" web site. Here's the url: http://bigcitythunder.com./pages/understanding_exhaust.pdf
 
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Re:Jetting (imagine that) 5 Years, 10 Months ago  
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Re:Jetting (imagine that) 5 Years, 10 Months ago  
Musky wrote:
Hey Vegas

Thing is, I don't know if i'm having problems. First R* I heard was mine and haven't been riding with anyone else who has one. I think it's OK but some one who really knows them might ask me what the hell I did to it Hate when that happens. I've been thinking about taking a page from my first bike. 305 honda Dream. They had basically heavy washers at the end of the pipes on pivot pins. If you wanted quieter you rotated the washers so it closed off the pipe except for the hole on the washer. Louder you rotated so the washer was flat across the opening. It could work the same for back pressure. If i'm going to be tooling around town I can close the washers (quieter and better response) and for highway I can open them. I was thinking of about a 1 & 1/4 inch hole on the washer. Who knows. I might like it with the washers closed and leave it like that. Now that's my thoughts but I need someone to shoot holes in it if it would require re tuning every time I moved the washers. Or any other probelms you can forsee. Waste of time.......


How old was the 305 when you owned it? I was really young the first time I saw one.Also this is my 1st RD* and none of my fellow riders except for one has one,his is a 1600 03.I`ve owned a 67 Triumph.70 Sporty and a72 FLH.Use to do
all the tunes ups and stuff myself.Plus I`ve owned at least 5 air cooled VW`s.
The Last was a 70 Ghia I drove for 13 years.So it`s helped some,get you a stock
Yamaha manual or a Clymers.You can learn alot!!
 
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