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Follow up: Fix for rough throttle & carb cough 1 Year ago  
Last week I had a thread going about the harshness of my throttle response when transitioning from full off to on, causing the bike to lunge, as well as the occasional cough out the carb, and even stalling at low speeds or standing starts. This was especially annoying when trying to modulate the throttle through turns or simply maintaining cruising speeds.

It was suggested I adjust the accelerator pump, so I did. (See Tech Article for details)

At the stock setting, the "Accelerator Duration Adjustment Screw" wasn't even touching the accel pump cam, which controls the amount of extra fuel squirted into the throat of the carb, every time you twist the throttle from off to on.

I could see, as I twisted the throttle, how the significant amount of fuel being squirted into the carb could result in a temporary rich mixture, which would explain the rough transition and carb cough.

So per the tech article, I loosened the lock nut on the adjustment screw and dialed it in as far as it would go, but even at that, it only *barely* touched the cam and had little effect. Then I removed the lock nut altogether, allowing for an additional 2 mm more adjustment, which was enough to make a difference. Now the accelerator pump squirts about 1/3 to 1/4 the amount it was before.

The results were good. The throttle response is much smoother and after a 250 mile ride, the carb only coughed once. Also, as some mentioned, I can see where this would improve gas mileage too, considering how much fuel was previously being squirted each time the throttle was barely tapped.

It would also seem that this could help if you're having trouble dialing in your PMS, by eliminating erratic lean/rich conditions? [Maybe the experts can comment on that]

So, if you're experiencing rough throttle transitions, or carb coughing, you may want to give it a try.

...On a side note... Question for the carb experts: Considering it's now so far from the stock setting, are there any downsides to setting it up as described above?

Thanks.
 
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Re:Follow up: Fix for rough throttle & carb cough 1 Year ago  
When I had the stock carb I had it totally disabled. the "duration screw" is the one to screw in all the way. This stops the squirt as soon as it starts. The "Timing screw) is adjusted for when the squirt starts it can be set to start at any throttle position, however, this one is not touched, have not read of anyone adjusting the timing screw.
 
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Re:Follow up: Fix for rough throttle & carb cough 1 Year ago  
Ditto, I had mine turned off on my stock carb too, made a big difference, then I switched to the HSR42 and never looked back.

Steven
 
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Re:Follow up: Fix for rough throttle & carb cough 1 Year ago  
When you guys say you turned it "off" are you saying you put longer screws in to prevent it from squirting *at all* or just removed the lock nut and dialed it all the way in as I did?
 
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Re:Follow up: Fix for rough throttle & carb cough 1 Year ago  
I removed the nut so it would not squirt anymore.

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Re:Follow up: Fix for rough throttle & carb cough 1 Year ago  
just turned it all the way, no nut to stop it from bottoming out. It's long enough.

Yes, the accelerator pump nozzle on the stock carb shoots a lot of fuel.

Unlike the 42 carb, we have 3 nozzle to choose from which control the amount of gas, most use the #50 which is the leanest, and there is no replacement for the stock carb, people looked into it yrs ago.

On the 42 carb, I have it functioning in the stock mode which is just off idle and squirts to approx 3/4 throttle. What I did do was to use the leanest nozzle since it comes standard with the richest After learning more and understanding the function of the pump, is the reason I have it functioning on the 42.
 
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Re:Follow up: Fix for rough throttle & carb cough 1 Year ago  
Erbman02 wrote:
just turned it all the way, no nut to stop it from bottoming out. It's long enough.

Yes, the accelerator pump nozzle on the stock carb shoots a lot of fuel.

Unlike the 42 carb, we have 3 nozzle to choose from which control the amount of gas, most use the #50 which is the leanest, and there is no replacement for the stock carb, people looked into it yrs ago.

On the 42 carb, I have it functioning in the stock mode which is just off idle and squirts to approx 3/4 throttle. What I did do was to use the leanest nozzle since it comes standard with the richest After learning more and understanding the function of the pump, is the reason I have it functioning on the 42.


I did the flip years ago on the duration screw (put nut on bottom side of arm & screw turned all the way in). Are you saying taking the nut completely off makes even more of a difference than that? I ask because I'm having the same problem as Doc_V for some reason...

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Re:Follow up: Fix for rough throttle & carb cough 1 Year ago  
just nut on backside, screw is long enough.

However, for whatever reason, there are a few 1700's that don't like it all the way off, some have had slight hesitation from a stop. Probably due to their exact set-up of pipes, air kit, jetting, but really can't say why. Was less of an issue on the 1600's to completely disable.

The pump serves it purpose to alleviate lean spots in the transition from one carb ckt to the next. from idle to just off idle, and from pilot ckt to needle ckt.
 
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Re:Follow up: Fix for rough throttle & carb cough 1 Year ago  
Thanks to DocV for the update, and to the rest of you for the clarifications.
 
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Re:Follow up: Fix for rough throttle & carb cough 1 Year ago  
I was pretty happy to find this post & article. I *think* it cured my roadie. I say think, because the weather turned crappy here and I haven't had more than a single ride to test it out, but so far it seems to be working. I ran the screw all in, without the locknut, and it hasn't coughed since...
 
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