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#127355 javawave (User) Over 16776 good days in a row and counting Platinum Boarder Posts: 3112 Re:Lugging or not? 1 Month, 2 Weeks ago   2200 is the beginning of the "sweet" spot. you can run these things 3500 all day long and your doing the bike more good than harm. Even at 1800 you are dumping fuel in it to generate power that is probably not being burnt properly. I would consider 1800 lugging, even if the bike still pulls from there. JMO.   Logged     \\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\"A mind full of judgment has little room for wisdom\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\"   The administrator has disabled public write access. #127356 Moondog (User) Senior Boarder Posts: 336 Re:Lugging or not? 1 Month, 2 Weeks ago   I feel I'm lugging it if I'm below 2k. I have a tach on the bike and like to cruse at about 2500. Moondog   Logged     The administrator has disabled public write access. #127358 javawave (User) Over 16776 good days in a row and counting Platinum Boarder Posts: 3112 Re:Lugging or not? 1 Month, 2 Weeks ago   Moondog wrote: I feel I'm lugging it if I'm below 2k. I have a tach on the bike and like to cruse at about 2500. Moondog I would agree. I try to cruise in the 2300 - 2500. The HD has an on board display much like a car that indicates your mileage based on the way you are driving. At least the miles left in the tank. If I am running 60 in 5th and then shift to 6th. The mileage goes down. speed up to 70 in 6th and it goes back up. I would imagine the Roadie is the same way.   Logged     \\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\"A mind full of judgment has little room for wisdom\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\"   The administrator has disabled public write access. #127359 javawave (User) Over 16776 good days in a row and counting Platinum Boarder Posts: 3112 Re:Lugging or not? 1 Month, 2 Weeks ago   I would note that I am taking about stock set ups. Guys with a big bore kit, or high compression pistons and air kits may find things a bit different. I would imagine they have increased torque numbers that would compensate at lower rpms.   Logged     \\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\"A mind full of judgment has little room for wisdom\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\"   The administrator has disabled public write access. #127361 JusPlaynBob (User) Sig Pic deleted larger than 50 kb Fresh Boarder Posts: 84 Re:Lugging or not? 1 Month, 2 Weeks ago   Moondog wrote: I feel I'm lugging it if I'm below 2k. I have a tach on the bike and like to cruse at about 2500. Moondog Really... Ya see, how much I know. I have had my Roadie up to about 105 mph. It got there reasonably quick and then sort of froze there. While it did seem to love it at that RPM, I don't know the limitations and decided it was just easier to "Hang On" at 70. Related..... How much of a lifter "Tick" should I expect to hear at normal riding levels. None. Some. More than you think.   Logged       The administrator has disabled public write access. #127362 javawave (User) Over 16776 good days in a row and counting Platinum Boarder Posts: 3112 Re:Lugging or not? 1 Month, 2 Weeks ago   JusPlaynBob wrote: Moondog wrote: I feel I'm lugging it if I'm below 2k. I have a tach on the bike and like to cruse at about 2500. Moondog Really... Ya see, how much I know. I have had my Roadie up to about 105 mph. It got there reasonably quick and then sort of froze there. While it did seem to love it at that RPM, I don't know the limitations and decided it was just easier to "Hang On" at 70. Related..... How much of a lifter "Tick" should I expect to hear at normal riding levels. None. Some. More than you think. Depends on how hot the bikes is. the warmer the more you will hear. I can cruise at a lower rpm, but if I am running along and crack the throttle and bike feels like its chugging for a second, I figure I am lugging it. If I get that snappy take off. I am right where I want to be. I dont think you will ever get "none" probably be the more than you would think. These are noisy machines. I'll crawl back in my corner now. I guess I have read enough post about problems that may or may not be related to lugging, I thought it would easier to help someone with a question if we established some sort of base line for lugging actually is.   Logged     Last Edit: 2008/10/07 13:46 By javawave.   \\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\"A mind full of judgment has little room for wisdom\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\"   The administrator has disabled public write access. #127365 JusPlaynBob (User) Sig Pic deleted larger than 50 kb Fresh Boarder Posts: 84 Re:Lugging or not? 1 Month, 2 Weeks ago   javawave wrote: if we established some sort of base line for lugging actually is.[/quote] I think we did! Seems 2000 would be the baseline. ...and thanks for the opinion about the "lifter noise". NOw if this was an DOHC inline 4, I'd have an answer.   Logged       The administrator has disabled public write access. #127437 N56629 (User) Junior Boarder Posts: 106 Re:Lugging or not? 1 Month, 2 Weeks ago   javawave wrote: It might well be some of the SVS and or knocking issues we talk about. We run these at way too low RPMs. Even at idle we set them too low to get the "sound" and try to get the "lope". But they need to be up in the 900 range for idle. If you look at the owner's manual Yamaha virtually recommends lugging the engine. They recommend shifting into 5th gear at 31 mph. Then they turn around and deny warranty for anyone with SVS problems caused by lugging the engine. I pretty much take the speeds they recommend and double them for minimum shift points.   Logged       The administrator has disabled public write access. #127446 javawave (User) Over 16776 good days in a row and counting Platinum Boarder Posts: 3112 Re:Lugging or not? 1 Month, 2 Weeks ago   N56629 wrote: javawave wrote: It might well be some of the SVS and or knocking issues we talk about. We run these at way too low RPMs. Even at idle we set them too low to get the "sound" and try to get the "lope". But they need to be up in the 900 range for idle. If you look at the owner's manual Yamaha virtually recommends lugging the engine. They recommend shifting into 5th gear at 31 mph. Then they turn around and deny warranty for anyone with SVS problems caused by lugging the engine. I pretty much take the speeds they recommend and double them for minimum shift points. Yes, the manual is a joke on this matter. Shift into 5th at 31 mph and see what happens at best you would a bucking ride.   Logged     \\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\"A mind full of judgment has little room for wisdom\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\"   The administrator has disabled public write access. #127447 Frank_W (User) Hitting deer -- in the FACE!! Platinum Boarder Posts: 1286 Re:Lugging or not? 1 Month, 2 Weeks ago   My '99 Jeep Wrangler has an idiot light on the dash that supposedly indicates when I'm supposed to shift. I tried obeying it when I first bought the Jeep, and after that, put a piece of black tape over it. I shift my bike like I shift every other vehicle I've ever owned: Listen to the engine and shift when the RPM's wind up.   Logged     Last Edit: 2008/10/07 18:06 By Frank_W.   It\'s easy to tell who your real friends are: Lock your dog and your wife in the trunk for an hour. When you open it, notice which one is happy to see you. 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