boy you guys quickly out distanced me on your web site / message board knowledge but I can weigh in on the advertisement thing.... I think in today’s day and age having banners is a necessary evil... no one here expects you to have to pay to keep this web site up... you give us your time which we are super grateful for... I will honestly say that I won't join a site that charges me money, but I am willing to fish through advertisements... heck, look at what delphi makes you go through, at least the advertisements here are bike related... you could double the banners and it would not make a difference to me... and I do try to use your links when I purchase from a web retailer... perhaps you could add the scripting to the links in the links section so that you can get the referral credit... (or you may have and I didn't know it).. thanks ~D