If you flip, you will definately grind! Lowered bikes look real sharp, but for me, I won't do any mod that makes my performance go backward. I grind the snot out of my boards the way it is, and I've ground the rear of the frame a couple of times. I'm usually too far from home when I realize that my inclination for riding hard on that given day was probably better suited to the SV. It'll be nice to get the XS650 in the stable in good condition, so I have an "in between" bike with some good comfort for a long day, but a little bit of a more sporting chassis.