erizo (User)
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Re:Galloping Sound 5 Years, 8 Months ago
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Musky wrote:
Harleys have a 45 degree angle between cylinders and other bike companies can't copy that. [/quote]
as it goes, there is nothing to stop any other company using a 45º angle between the cylinders.
using the same design of motor, yes, but as far as just angle is concerned this is considered as an engine configuration and not a design
if that were the case, only one bike manufacturer would be allowed to use an inline 4 configuration.
but as most would agree here, 45º vs 48º = 48º rocks! 
edit - by the way musky, i dunno who wrote your blue bit, but i hope you don´t take offense at me quoting it beside your name.<br><br>Post edited by: erizo, at: 2006/09/23 07:04
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Re:Galloping Sound 5 Years, 8 Months ago
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erizo wrote:
by the way musky, i dunno who wrote your blue bit, but i hope you don´t take offense at me quoting it beside your name
No problem. It's just part of a disscusion we had on the ACE site.
as it goes, there is nothing to stop any other company using a 45º angle between the cylinders.
You're right, but Harley does have the patent on this design:
the first piston fires (this is the 0° position)
the other piston fires at 315° into the stroke
there is a 405° gap (as both cylinders go through their exhaust stroke) until the first piston fires again.
Which was just another way of trying to get their sound patented I think.  Sneaky but effective 
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Re:Galloping Sound 5 Years, 8 Months ago
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Musky are ya awake yet?? Harley does NOT have a patent on any design and it wasnt the angle between the cyl it was goin for
It was the single pin crank ... gee!!! wake up
How many beers did yu have???
Dear Cecil:
A few days ago a colleague at work asked me, "Does Harley-Davidson have a patent on the sound of their exhaust?" I thought he was kidding. I never heard of the government granting a patent on a particular sound. Then a friend of mind told me H-D won a lawsuit against one of the "rice burner" bike manufacturers because they had (electronically) duplicated the sound of the Harley! What gives? Can you really patent the exhaust sound of an infernal--strike that--internal-combustion engine? --Jens, Glenview, Illinois
Cecil replies:
Not a patent, Jens. A trademark. You patent an invention; you secure trademark rights in a symbol associated with your company or product. Sure, you can get one on a sound. MGM registered the roar of its lion as a trademark, and NBC registered its three-toned chime as a service mark. Hadn't heard that chime in years, but as soon as I saw it mentioned, it popped into my mind, practical proof that sounds can be potent symbols. Trouble is, when I think of Harley, I think of Hell's Angels, the Harley logo, and the word hog (which Harley also tried to register). But--and I realize this may say negative things about my testosterone level--I don't think of a particular sound, which might explain why Harley withdrew its application to register the engine sound earlier this year.
Harley aficionados, and of course the company itself, see it differently. To them the Harley sound, said to resemble "potato-potato-potato," is as distinctive as the Energizer bunny. (Judge for yourself with the sound clips at newsport.sfsu.edu/archive/f96/sounds/pending.html). When Japanese motorcycle makers began horning in on the Milwaukee company's hog market with their own heavy-duty bikes in the 1980s, Harley felt they were trying to duplicate the rumble of the V-Twin engine, which buyers supposedly seek out. Maybe, though if you ask me they mostly want something loud enough to scare the crap out of guys in Honda Civics. The Japanese put it more diplomatically when fighting Harley's trademark request, arguing that all big motorcycles sound pretty much the same. After six years of legal proceedings and no resolution in sight, Harley caved, claiming it had won in the court of public opinion, etc. Just as well. Can you imagine the trademark infringement suits?
Harley lawyer: "Your honor, our competitor's ripoff of our product purposely goes potato-potato-potato."
Rice-burner lawyer: "Nonsense, it goes poTAHto-poTAHto-poTAHto. Motion to call the whole thing off."
<br><br>Post edited by: Pop Rivet, at: 2006/09/23 07:57
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Re:Galloping Sound 5 Years, 8 Months ago
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Hey PopRivet
I NEVER said they had a patent on the 45. What I posted in blue was part of a disscusion that took place on the ACE site. NONE of which I wrote.I did say they tried to get a patent on their sound. If you want to argue that then lets go? As for patents they do have, argue with these guys - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Harley_Davidson. Or is it only things you pull from the net that are carved in stone? And I quit drinking in 84.
I'm out of this thread. It got way of course, which I apologize for, and I don't want or care about Harley's anyway. |
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Re:Galloping Sound 5 Years, 8 Months ago
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Sorry Musky but you did say and it was in BLACK
You're right, but Harley does have the patent on this design
And the article does say that Harley withdrew its claim on the patent design.
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maybe you dont care about Harley but you bike has been designed with them in mind!!!
On 1 February 1994, the company filed a trademark application for the distinctive sound of a Harley-Davidson motorcycle engine: "The mark consists of the exhaust sound of applicant's motorcycles, produced by V-twin, common crankpin motorcycle engines when the goods are in use". Nine of Harley-Davidson's competitors filed comments opposing the application, arguing that cruiser-style motorcycles of various brands use a single-crankpin V-twin engine which produce a similar sound. These objections were followed by litigation. After six years, Harley-Davidson withdrew their trademark application
And this thread is right on course and has everything to do about Galloping Sound<br><br>Post edited by: Pop Rivet, at: 2006/09/23 10:43
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pday (User)
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Re:Galloping Sound 5 Years, 8 Months ago
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Erizo,
Long time no see! Did you ever figure out the problem on your bike that you were wrestling with a month or two ago?
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Re:Galloping Sound 5 Years, 8 Months ago
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Just returned from a trip and catching up on the posts.
This discussion has run it's course.
For anyone else interested in why the HD sounds the way it does then go here.
http://auto.howstuffworks.com/question325.htm
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