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Re:HD SAE 20W50 Oil in my Roadie??? 5 Months, 3 Weeks ago  
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The MA2 is for bikes with wet clutches and catalytic converters like our FI bikes.

How can we have the best of both worlds if one is running stock mufflers on a FI bike and protect the lifters and cam from destruction needing high ZDP contents in the oil knowing catalytic exhausts hate the stuff.


My bike, an '09, came with aftermarket HKs, but I did get the original muffler setup in the deal. One day I just might want to throw them on before I go completely deaf, but I don't want to drop the 1,700 ppm of ZDDP added to the oil I use. This engine is just too damn quiet in the valve train area to go experimenting on it down the road.
 
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Re:HD SAE 20W50 Oil in my Roadie??? 5 Months, 3 Weeks ago  
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Look for the JASO or JASO MA2 certification on the container. If it's there then it's ok for our wet clutch.

Last time I checked, Mobile 1 doesn't have the MA2 rating anymore. But my Castrol and Valvoline V Twin does
its not ma2 because mobil decided not to lower zppd to make it ma2. mobil vtwin still is one of the best for our bikes
 
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Re:HD SAE 20W50 Oil in my Roadie??? 5 Months, 2 Weeks ago  
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Spydr wrote:
texasscott1 wrote:
Look for the JASO or JASO MA2 certification on the container. If it's there then it's ok for our wet clutch.

Last time I checked, Mobile 1 doesn't have the MA2 rating anymore. But my Castrol and Valvoline V Twin does
its not ma2 because mobil decided not to lower zppd to make it ma2. mobil vtwin still is one of the best for our bikes


Unless, it's FI with stock, cat mufflers.

Then what does one use?
 
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Re:HD SAE 20W50 Oil in my Roadie??? 5 Months, 1 Week ago  
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I'm gonna stick with the Mobil 1 VTWIN, I tried the merc quicksilver and had bad clutch slipping, went back to mobil and problem went away! Just a little food for thought...Been having clutch slip at higher RPM hard throttle and was thinking clutch spring needed replacement. I have been running Quicksilver for about 9000 miles now. I wonder if this slipping is simply an oil change ? Or should I stop putting Marvel Oil in my oil. I have always exchanged one pint of MMO for one pint of regular oil.
Switched to M1 today and yes the slipping stopped. But I can not decide if its the oil or the lack of the MMO coctail that stopped the slipping . I know MMO is an extremely high cleansing additive and very slick because of it's very low viscosity . May have been the only reason for the slippery clutch. I will go back to Quicksilver 20-50 Vtwin next change and leave the MMO out of that one to help decide if it is the MMO effecting the grip of the clutch. By the way I am at 92,580 miles on this '01.
 
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Re:HD SAE 20W50 Oil in my Roadie??? 5 Months, 1 Week ago  
I would use the MMO in the oil only right before an oil change to clean it out good.
 
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Re:HD SAE 20W50 Oil in my Roadie??? 5 Months, 1 Week ago  
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I would use the MMO in the oil only right before an oil change to clean it out good.That is the Plan
 
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Re:HD SAE 20W50 Oil in my Roadie??? 5 Months ago  
I doubt your slippage has anything at all to do with the MMO. It's not that slick. Probably has more to do with a lame spring than anything else. When mine first started slipping, a fresh oil change and getting the oil back clean and in grade would help it for a while, til that oil broke down, then the slipping would come back.
 
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Re:HD SAE 20W50 Oil in my Roadie??? 5 Months ago  
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I doubt your slippage has anything at all to do with the MMO. It's not that slick. Probably has more to do with a lame spring than anything else. When mine first started slipping, a fresh oil change and getting the oil back clean and in grade would help it for a while, til that oil broke down, then the slipping would come back.Thanks JD , I've been thinking along those same lines.
 
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Re:HD SAE 20W50 Oil in my Roadie??? 5 Months ago  
Your bike is air cooled....
Oils what cools your motor...no coolant
People report issues with clutch slippage when using non-V Twin specific oil for wet clutches....
Your motor is expensive....

I buy Amsoil in bulk, get it by the gallon jug. I get 4 gallons at a time which is enough for 2 years+ for me..and it comes out to be $9.68 a quart including tax and shipping. I get the NAPA PLATINUM/WIX filter for $8.24 when on sale. I have arguably the best oil/filter you can get for this bike for under $50 per complete oil change. Do that twice a year and it's $100 (5k miles between oil changes).

What's the most your gonna save during the course of the year by getting cheap pil and filter? $25 saved per oil change with likely bless miles between oil changes....

Son is it worth taking a chance of using the wrong oil/filter, experiencing clitch slippage, getting less wear protection for $25 per oil change that you might do 1-2 times a year?
 
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Re:HD SAE 20W50 Oil in my Roadie??? 5 Months ago  
That's a lot of money. I know of one bike that was retired, still running, at 230,000 miles using regular Yamalube. That's what I use and haven't had any problems after 80,000 miles. Good oil changed regularly is the best bet. The reason being that the gears in our transmission chew up the polymers and change the viscosity.
 
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