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Synthetic Oils 2 Years ago  
Just want to get everyones opinion on the Shell Rotella Sythetic oil in 5W-40 for use in a Roadstar. I currently use Amsoil 10W-40. Walmart has a gallon of the Shell oil for 19.50. How would it rate to the Amsoil and how long of an OCI?

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Re:Synthetic Oils 2 Years ago  
Too thin. I wouldn't use anything less than 20-40 in warm weather. With 5-40 I'm thinking that you would have alot of clattering going on and the bike will run hot. If anything go to a higher WT like 20-50
 
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Re:Synthetic Oils 2 Years ago  
This could get interesting!!
 
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Re:Synthetic Oils 2 Years ago  
5W wt base stock oil is way too thin,yam rec's 20w40/20w50 depending on yr so you want to reduce yami's rec from 20w base stock oil to 5w?

The R* motors bottom end and or general mechanical clearcnes are designed/setup for a 20w base stock oil with cold motor and 40-50 wt oil when oil reaches full op temp.

Dont forget a 5w40 oil starts out a 5w base oil when could then chemicals in the oils additive pkg increases the oil from its base 5w to 40w when it reaches norm op temp.

But the larger the dif betwen the base 5w to upper end 40w there it the more additives it takes to get the oil up to the full op tem 40 w oil. Oils in that case are more prone to shearing/visc breakin down then oils that have less diff between cols base wt and hot full temp wt like for ex 20-40 vs 5-40

Dont chince out when ti comes to great ptotecttion ,keep running the amsoil or run mobil 1 both syn 20w-50 oils that both have proper zddp lvls for safe Flat Tappt cam/lifter operation and no friction mods that can poss cause clutch issues in some cases too.

BTW,sheel rotella 5w-40 syn or there convetional 15-40 doesnt have the proper zddp lvl for best protecting the flat tappet cam/lifters in a R* motor and have friction mods too not good for wet clutches either leading to clutch slippage in some cases but not all.

I am beginning to wonder/if not believe that's why we are seeing more issues with lifters going bad & or vlves neeing adj and still being noisey post adj in the R* over past few yrs when people are running pass car/truck poils without enough zddp in them to properly protect the lifters/cam/valetrain in general from premature wear.

The whole concept behind a hyd lifter valvetrain is not valve adj over srv'c life of the motor or at least maybe only 1x valve adj and people are having a lot more issues with noisey valvetrain or bad/worn out lifters .

BTW,The few times i bothered to ask questions when i saw bas lifters here in RSC they were running oils with low zddp lvl's that can significantly reduce FT cam/lifter srv'c life.

That issue had been happening to the ft cam'd motors in classic cars too over past 4-5 yrs untill people got on board with the low zddp issues in most pass car/truck oils sold over the counter today.

That was due to extended cat converter warrantee's mandated by Fed Gov/EPA and the higher zddp lvls in older gen oils could over time/miles foul/clog cat's at approx 90k-100k miles and Fed's wanted cats to be warrantee'd past 100k miles . So car mfg's requested oil mfg's reduce zddp lvls so tey could extend warrentee wituout having to spend $ replacing cats if clogged by zddp . They felt it was ok because most motors mfg'd today have overhead cams with lighter spring rates and or roller cams in v8's not having scuffing issues flat tappet setup can that arent installed in todays motors anymore that have issues with oil that had low of zddp lvls.

But they dotn care about the millions of classic cars/trucks/motors/motorcycles left in the word today still running flat tappet cams/lifters,the oil mgf's never told the gemeral bublic thaey had reduced the zddp lvls in the oil ther were selling us which has led to many a trashed v8 musclecar motor when 4-5 lobes/lifters wear out seining a ton of metal particles into the motors oil system .

When that happens the metal contam trashes the crank/all bearings/scratches cyl's etc and the oils mfg's felt they didn't need to tell the genral public buying thier oil that BTW,donjt run it in FT cam'd motors esp hi perf motors running higher valve spring rates for hiperf ft cams.

Scott
 
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Re:Synthetic Oils 2 Years ago  
Does that Shell oil have friction Modifiers?? some of the lighter oils do! I agree to go with the 20w 50.. I run the Mobil V twin Syn... don't scrimp on oil. it is the life blood of your bike!!!
 
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Re:Synthetic Oils 2 Years ago  
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Does that Shell oil have friction Modifiers?? some of the lighter oils do! I agree to go with the 20w 50.. I run the Mobil V twin Syn... don't scrimp on oil. it is the life blood of your bike!!!

I checked with mult oil mfg's 1st hand asking that very question and the ans is today most oils hav friction mods in them reguardless of wt/grade,period,its not just the ligher grade fuel conserving oils that have the fric mods in them anymore .

Even mobil 1 hi perf 15w-50 full syn race oil has friction mods in it wper mfg hich is a popular oil people are running in R*'s.

But that oil oil does have a decent 1300ppm zddp in it to protect ft cam setups in hi perf motors so its not a bad oil for a R* if you want to take the chance to see if your the lucky one to not have any clutch issues later on.

Chevrons delo 15w-40 conven oil also has decent 1300ppm zddp lvl for our bikes FT cam but it too has firc mods perf mfg but they did state the fric mods were at a slightly lower lvl then most oil get so it may ot be an issue.

I run mobil 1 v twin 20-50,would just as easily run amsoil 20-50 too,which ever i can get my hands on easier at the tme which is usually the mobil 1 v twin 20-50.

Even in 90 deg heat my R* valvtrain is quiet and the motor in general is quite too which i attribut the hi quality full syn ability to hold its viscosity under extreen heat situatuions that our lrg air cooled motors see every time we ride then esp in 85-90 deg + heat along with its proper zddp lvls too protecting it from scuffing etc too.

Scott
 
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Re:Synthetic Oils 2 Years ago  
i only run the mobil v-twin in my ride..been working on motors since the 70s and have seen the damage that crappy oil can cause..seems to me that if anyone can spend a boatload of money on chrome and performance mods..{myself included}..than the last place im gonna save a few dollars is on the oil..no way!! BTW..Scott,you really spelled it out man !!
 
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Re:Synthetic Oils 2 Years ago  
I am with the others use a heavier oil... 20/40 or 20/50..
I have been using the 20/50 amsoil mc oil and boy did it quiet down the noise the lifters made a lot.. bike would start and had no problems even in cold weather..

trouble with some of the other oils is the friction modifiers and the clutch slippage you will get from having them in the bike, that is the only main issue with non mc oils that are not labeled as wet clutch safe.
So be sure whatever you use that it is wet clutch compatible.

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Re:Synthetic Oils 2 Years ago  
nightstar57 wrote:
i only run the mobil v-twin in my ride..been working on motors since the 70s and have seen the damage that crappy oil can cause..seems to me that if anyone can spend a boatload of money on chrome and performance mods..{myself included}..than the last place im gonna save a few dollars is on the oil..no way!! BTW..Scott,you really spelled it out man !!

Amen to that!

If you don't want to spend the big bucks for the synthetic oil that's made for our bikes, why not just stick with a good conventional motor cycle oil? I've been using Valvoline 20w-50 4-Stroke MC oil with good results. It's about $4 per quart. I don't put enough miles on my bike to justify the cost of a good synthetic motor oil although I did put Mobile 1 Synthetic gear oil in my transfer case.
http://www.valvoline.com/products/consumer-products/motor-oil/motorcycle-atv-oil/13
My 2 cents...
BillD in Michigan
 
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Re:Synthetic Oils 2 Years ago  
Subject has been beat to death and always will.
Here is a links on oils.

http://www.calsci.com/motorcycleinfo/Oils1.html

Ran Rotella 5w-40 in my Vmax no problem with clutch.
If you use auto oils and they have energy saving seal on them
they will not work on wet clutch.
Goodluck
 
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