You guys want a great deal on oil,autozone is selling all their Valvoline VR1 race seires oil for street use with proper detergent lvl more importantly a good 1400ppm dose of zddp/zinc & phos that will PROPERLY protect the flat tappet cam & lifters in our R* motors which most other pass car & truck oils can't do due to low zddp lvls .

It's 50% off both the conven & fully syn,i bought some conven 20w-50 for my 69 chevelle ss 396 bbc and it cost $2.14 qt,cant beat that.

The full syn is approx $4.50 per qt & thats a give away too!!

But you it will have some friction mods in it which most oils sold today have reguardless of visc/grade which i have verieid via contacing mult oil mfg's.

Some guys dont mind running pass car oil with fric mods and have no clutch issues and others dont wan't to run fric mod's in their wet clutch bikes,i will leave that up to you.

BTW,this is a non published sale thats supposedly running untill end of month which i heard about on line in Team Chevelle which the people working at my local autozone didn't know about when i bought my Valvoline VR1 20w-50 race oil.

I asked if it was on sale and they said no,if it's not in flyer then it's not on sale.

I then asked him to scan a bottle and it came up 50% off at $2.14 qt for coven valvoline VR1 20-50,blew his mind./LOL!!!! And don't forget the fuly syn is approx $4.50 qt which is a steal if you dont mind running pass car oils with fric mods.

It's a;so avail in 10-30 & single grades too but they dont always stock all grades but can oder it.

FYI,your not supposed to run this oil in newer cars with cat converters becasue over time/many miles the zddp can possibly clog the cat driving emmissions error codes that turns on chk engine light & motor runs poorly due to clogged cat. Then you have a big bill to replace the cat,clean emmissions system,& clear codes,etc. It's only supposed to be run in cars/ bikes with no cat converters.

Scott

Thanks for the heads-up, I gotta do an oil change in the wife's car and my truck this weekend. I will stock up at those prices!

Boatmark wrote:
Thanks for the heads-up, I gotta do an oil change in the wife's car and my truck this weekend. I will stock up at those prices!

FYI,your not supposed to run this oil in newer cars with cat converters becasue over time/many miles the zddp can possibly clog the cat driving emmissions error codes,turns on chk engine light & motor runs poorly due to clogged cat. Then you have a big bill to replace the cat,clean emmissions system,& clear codes,etc. It's only suposed to be run in cars/ bikes with no cat converters.

scott

ttt So more RSC members that arent afraid ro run oil with friction mods in it can see this great deal on a well respected perf oil fro Valvoline that has the zddp lvl required to properly protect the ft cam/lifters in their R* motors .

Scott

ttt Again so more RSC members that arent afraid ro run oil with friction mods in it can see this great deal on a well respected perf oil from Valvoline that has the zddp lvl required to properly protect the ft cam/lifters in their R* motors .

Scott

scottw wrote:
ttt Again so more RSC members that arent afraid ro run oil with friction mods in it can see this great deal on a well respected perf oil from Valvoline that has the zddp lvl required to properly protect the ft cam/lifters in their R* motors .

Scott

does the API circle say energy conserving on the bottom portion? If not, then it should not be an issue, in 116k miles, I've only used motorcycle specific oil twice, so a little bit over 100k with auto oil and I have no issues, and I have tried a number of oils as well, but mostly the Mobil 1 15/50 full syn, but last 2 changes Rotella syn. and I still have stock clutch plates.

Scott, was not able to respond to you on the thread "modern day machining". Yes, I choose synthetic Mobil V-Twin oil, I have run Mobil syn since they first marketed the stuff. My wifes Nissan Rogue and the Road Star even use the same Oil filter which I load up on when I find A sale. I do not consider the Mobil One V-Twin oil the best synthetic on the market. I believe the best are Motul, Redline and Amsoil. The full synthetic Yamalube probably a better product than Mobil also. I refuse to pay those prices for oil.The Ester based products far outperform. (thermal breakdown)If you have that great a concern about percentage of zddp, zinc additives you might look into diesel engine oils. There are good options in that category of oils that will work great for our RS's. Just my .02 cent worth. I mean hey, it's just oil!

Dirk R wrote:
Scott, was not able to respond to you on the thread "modern day machining". Yes, I choose synthetic Mobil V-Twin oil, I have run Mobil syn since they first marketed the stuff. My wifes Nissan Rogue and the Road Star even use the same Oil filter which I load up on when I find A sale. I do not consider the Mobil One V-Twin oil the best synthetic on the market. I believe the best are Motul, Redline and Amsoil. The full synthetic Yamalube probably a better product than Mobil also. I refuse to pay those prices for oil.The Ester based products far outperform. (thermal breakdown)If you have that great a concern about percentage of zddp, zinc additives you might look into diesel engine oils. There are good options in that category of oils that will work great for our RS's. Just my .02 cent worth. I mean hey, it's just oil!

Hi dirk,Am step ahead of you on that one/LOL!!!!

Your not aware of the fact that i have been researching & testing motor oils(some diesel ,some pass car oils,couple bike oils too while i was at it) for past few yrs for team chevelle with respct to FT cam'd muscle car motors . I can tell you from my exp digging into this for yrs now it's not just oil like there's not much diff between the oils when it come's to protection,there shure as heck is a difference .

But 1st things 1st,on the diesel oil you reffered too,most diesel oils dont have enough zddp anymore since 1/2007 in the newer CJ rating,but pre 1/2007 older CI rating diesel oil had enough zddp to protect most FT cams even perf ones running higher spring rates. But chevrons delo LE 15w-40 in thr newer CJ rating is a diesle oil sold today that still has enough zddp to protect stock to mild FT perf cam's .

There are plenty of oils avail today with proper zddp lvl to protect tf cams but you have to know where they are because most arent sold over the conuter anymore . So if you would like that list pm me your email address and i will send you the list i compiled woth oils sold today with decent zddp lvl required for safe Ft cam protection.

And many oils sold today have Fric mods too reguardless of grade which i have confirmed from contacing mult oil mgf's which confirmed that was the case so its not just light grade fuel conserving oils that have fric mods anmore as is often mis spoken here in RSC. Heck i noticed the other day it even states that fact it has fric mod's in it on the back of valvolines VR1 race oil with good zddp lvl for safe FT cam protection in classic & muscle car motor running FT cams.

BTW,there was an extensive oil test done late 2009 and Amsoil /Mobile 1 v-twin bith fully syn in 20w-50 came out on top. There were 17 oils tested in 20w-50 grade and those oils came out 1 & 2 resp,yoiu motul came out in 12th out 17 oils not doing that well. This is by far the best oil test i had ever read over the yrs done by qualified people.

The mobile 1 v-twin did very well against other oils,only amsoil did alittle better and not by much IMHO. But i have to agree i also not all of mobils 1's semi or full syn oils are all that great,but Mobil got it right with the v-twin full syn 20w-50 which extensive testing showed ,thats for sure.

and when i swithced to mobil 1 v-twin fully syn 20w-50 in my R* the motor ran a little smoother and completely guiet even on hot 95 deg HHH days whichother oils could not do in my bike's lrg air cooled FT cam'd motor & would get clicky/ticky esp in top end/valve-train which isn't an issue not with the mobil1 20w-50 v-twin oil in my bike.

So if you want to to see just how good or just how poorly some big name oils perform then you need toread a very good extensive oil test done on 17 oils from mult mfg's that explains each test very well so you understand what is test is and what imporance it has go to this link.

The test was done on 10w-40 and also 20w-50 grades in ,some in conventional/some in semi blend/some in full syn. and i can tell you if youread that test rept i bet doing that will change your opion/view of oil you have at this time. The oil testing was very coplete and done extreemly well and show njust how much of diff there is betwwen the oils as far as performance/protection goes and that in most case you litterally do get what you pay for when it comes to motors oil for bikes and i have seen the same thyp results in car motor oil testing over the yrs too,some do well and tohers dont even in well repsected name pass car oils.

Anyway,go to this site:

http://www.amsoil.com/products/streetbikes/WhitePaper.aspx

Then click on download white papaer in blue text in upper center of screen to download the rept and get ready to be enlightened./LOL!!!!!!

Happy reading and don't slide off your chair while reading all about that slippery oil stuff/LOL!!!!!!

Scott

Hi Erbman,how's it going,hope you landed a job!

I was laid off approx 1 yr ago from development engineering in semiconduction industry post 30+ yrs with a mortgage,2 kids in college,and al std bills everyone eols has too and my unemployement is schd soon too with no decent job in sight for me at this point so i know how your felling too. I was just wondewring how you made out because i saw your post a wk or 2 back saying you were looking for work & hoped you had found a job.

Anyway,to ans your question,no it doesnt state energy conserving but thats not a proper indicator if oil has fric mods or not anymore which i verified by cont mult oil mfg's which all told me many hevier grade oils not run fric mods.

And mobile 15w-50 hi perf full syn oil is one that i confirmed with mobil and it does have fric mods in it,as does chevrons delo 15w-40 but has decent zddp lvl/shells rotella that has slightly lower zddp just under where its not good for safe ft protection in all apps/even found plenty of 20-50 ils with fric mods in it too along with 10-40 too.

But the mobile 1 15w-50 you were looked on paper to be a good oil for your r* having a decent 1300ppm zddp lvl awith the only issue bi=eing it has fric mods in it per mobil.

So you cant go by the old addage its only the lower grade/thinner oils like 5w-20/5w-30/10w-30 that have friction mods in them. Per the oils mfg's i contacted the majority of all pass car oils mfg'd today reguarless of grade (thin or thick) have some lvl of firction mods in them.

It even states in black & white on back label of valvolines vr1 race 20w-50 oil with good zddp tha it has fric mods in it so i didnt even have to ask valvoline about that one.

Hope that answers your question.

But when it comes to fricion mods,thats the least of the wrries,its having proper zddp lvl that much more importatnt to your R* lifters/cam etc then possibly having some clutch slippage when running oil with fric mods.

And i think if you dont have a lot of atermarker perf/hp upgrades inc power /trq much along with not riding 2 up much ,dont run the bike hard being on it all the tme/racing a lot ,dont do a lot of rining in mountains 2 up with bike fuly loaded you ma not ever hit clutch slipping issues when run oil with firc mods in it.

But constantly run a SM rated pass car oil that only has on avg 800ppm zddp when a minimum of 1200-1300ppm zddp is required for minimal Ft cam/lifter protection with 1400-1500+ being the norm for perf Ft apps you can have isseu with premature lifter wear/failure along with cam too resulting in metal contam being intruced into motors oiling system that the oil fiter can't catch all of and you know what type wear/damage that metal contan from lfiters/cams wearing out prematurly can cause.

Scott