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Re:Lets start an oil war!!!! 4 Months, 3 Weeks ago  
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Not taking a swipe at anyone, so, please, no one take offense. The oil additive package fails long before the oil itself. A qt of oil is upwards of 1/3 additive package.

The hardest part of our engines, on the oil, is the forces between the gear faces in our transmissions. A synthetic is not truly man-made, as the word synthetic would suggest, but it means that engineers were able to separate out the longer, and more closely identical shaped molecule chains that slide better over one another, giving the synthetic better lubricity.

The forces between the gear faces in our transmissions, since they share the engine oil, is capable of tearing up those long chains... and can cause the oil to breakdown. The solution is to change it according to the manufacturers recommended mileage, which from the owners manual, is 4,000 miles.

I have 3 R* and run the Amsoil 10w-40 for Jap bikes with the Bosch 3323 filter. Since I don't put 4k miles on any one of my bikes in a riding season, I just change it all out every spring. For about 1/2 the cost, I could switch over to the Rotella T-6, but we still have that old Amsoil white paper on an independent lab running the oil industry standardized testing for all the many different ways oil is supposed to serve our engines, and those tests revealed significant differences in the performances of all the oils they tested, and the Amsoil came in first, followed rather closely by the Mobil 1. Others fared considerably worse, and the Rotella, not being a bike oil, wasn't included in the test at all.

Our bikes are very important to us. It's one of my main interests and hobbies. Since the oil is the very life-blood of our engines, I just can't bring myself to cheap out on the engine oil for any reason... it's not worth a few bucks to me to place my babies at any extra risk for all that they mean, and do, for me. Heck, I could probably switch to Rotella T-4 dino, and wouldn't do them any harm... but, to save a few dollars over the span of 7 months out of the year?

Knowing I've done all that I could to take the best care of my bikes means more to me than the amount I could save.



Two things I dont cheap out on my bike are oil and tires. Oil is lifeblood and tires is all between us and disaster.
I only posted this originally as I found the information interesting and having used oil analysis previously I knew how spot on it was in its conclusions.
 
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Re:Lets start an oil war!!!! 4 Months, 3 Weeks ago  
Do the research on Diesel engine oils a lot of guys use thinking they still contain high (enough) levels of ZDDP.

Not any more. EPA throttled those brand names back, too.
 
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Re:Lets start an oil war!!!! 4 Months, 3 Weeks ago  
Ah, VERY important to know! Wonder what the Rotella numbers are now, as they were 1200 ppm ZDDP.
 
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Re:Lets start an oil war!!!! 4 Months, 3 Weeks ago  
Rotella does not have the same zinc content it once did. You can buy zddp and add it. I'm not running cats or o2's on my R* so nothing to hurt there.

https://www.amazon.com/ZDDPPlus-Engine-Additive-Phosphorus-Bottle/dp/B006LBAAD4/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1501183129&sr=8-1&keywords=zddplus+oil+additive
 
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Re:Lets start an oil war!!!! 4 Months, 3 Weeks ago  
I just changed my oil and it was black and a bit like sludge. Amsol 20-50 for Harley's. The new oil is 20-40 Amsoil for metrics. I do not know what the difference between the non metric and metric Amsoil, but this time got the metric Amsoil. All that riding the clutch business in parking lots turned the oil into sludge.
 
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Re:Lets start an oil war!!!! 4 Months, 3 Weeks ago  
drumsonly2002 wrote:
..............I do not know what the difference between the non metric and metric Amsoil, but this time got the metric Amsoil.

The container cap has metric threads!
 
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Re:Lets start an oil war!!!! 4 Months, 3 Weeks ago  
Shores wrote:
drumsonly2002 wrote:
..............I do not know what the difference between the non metric and metric Amsoil, but this time got the metric Amsoil.

The container cap has metric threads!



 
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Re:Lets start an oil war!!!! 4 Months, 3 Weeks ago  
well just to add oil to the fryer I am using 20/60 mineral with high Z's, seams to work for me
 
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Re:Lets start an oil war!!!! 4 Months, 3 Weeks ago  
The difference between the Harley and Jap oil could only be related to the fact the Harley oil only gets used in the engine, while our Jap bike oil also gets shared with the transmission... so, here's what I think may be in the Jap oil. As I stated earlier, the shearing forces between the trans gear faces tear up oil molecule chains, and the Jap bike oil almost certainly has more of whatever stabilizer is necessary to help the long, relatively straight and smooth syn oil molecule chains to remain intact longer. It's my best guess, but it makes sense... at least to me!

I wouldn't use an oil for Harley, knowing my oil must also go thru the trans gears all the time, just sayin'.
 
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Re:Lets start an oil war!!!! 4 Months, 3 Weeks ago  
All of this makes me think of an old guy I knew who raced enduros and hare scrambles back when I used to fiddle with that stuff a good bit.

All of us wannabes would carefully prep our dirt bikes in the days leading up to an event. Stay up till odd hours at night meticulously cleaning and checking everything, service the air filter, clean the chain and sprockets then carefully lube the designated areas using the finest stuff money could buy.

Glen grew up riding the hills and woods around there. He was a big burly Irish guy with reddish curly hair and a constant smile. He was mans man without much education to speak of and cut pulp wood for a living. We would show up in our fancy riding jerseys, pads everywhere, high dollar riding boots etc. He had on whatever T shirt that was left over from the day before and some old wore out brogans from walking around with a chainsaw in the woods all day.

He would show up with the nastiest looking bike of all the entries, pour whatever 50 to 1 he had left from his chainsaw fuel can into his bike, dump some old burnt motor oil from a bottle on his chain and smoke everyone's ass who dared to enter the race.

We knew he was a threat to take the overall anytime we saw him unload the bike out of his pickup.

I swear I do not think he ever cleaned his dirt bike air filter (if he even knew his bike had one)

True story from 35 years ago. Those were the days...
 
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