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Re:Rear Fender Mod ..... 1 Month, 2 Weeks ago  
I didn't remove my fender from the 04 and measured with a tape measure.

1 vertical distance between the top and bottom mounting points
measures the same with a tape meassure

2 width of the upper fender mount (the one on the fender)
from inside to inside (the tube length) it is the same

3 any changes in sizes of hardware
didn't remove bolts to check threads, but upper bolt on both fenders use the same size wrench, same thing for the 2 lower bolts. This should mean they are the same size threads

4 any bottom plastic mud gaurd changes
sorry, cant help with this one unless I can find the old mud gaurd

5. distance between the 2 lower bolts are the same too.
 
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Re:Rear Fender Mod ..... 1 Month, 2 Weeks ago  
So just a quick update for those interested in this mod, I've gotten with three RSC members who will be trying out the kit. I believe two of them actually have hard bags which I had not envisioned it working with. One sock hard bag and I think the other has some sort of Harley bags. And the third trial has no bags. So this will be a tough test for the kit. The guys with the bags say they have some way to adjust the bags height to clear their duals. We'll see. I wish them luck.

Plan is to have the trial kits ready to go out by end of week priority mail and I've asked them to try their best to do the mods within a week so they can update with some pics and then I can get group of kits made and available to the rest. By that time I hope to have an installation "how to" up on tech articles.

The kits will be $115. Upper brackets are made with either Titanium or Stainless depending on availability not an option and the lowers from 6061-T6, 10.9 grade hardware throughout and free shipping. Best of all made in the USA by a Roadstar member. PM me to place a tentative order to plan the build for the first group. Thanks, Rick


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Re:Rear Fender Mod ..... 1 Month, 2 Weeks ago  
Update on materials.. The upper mount bracket matl will be 13-8 sstl. Choosing that because its high nickel content. I know the r* is not an airplane but since people are putting friends and loved ones on the passenger seat well need I say more .. and for the lower offset spacers i will be using 6061-T6.
 
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Re:Rear Fender Mod ..... 1 Month, 2 Weeks ago  
Nice job and great idea.

As old school chopper guy the idea of a fender not following the tire exactly drives me nuts.
I rigged up something like yours years ago as a prototype to try to get the damn fender centered but it would not work with a seat like I'm using (Mustang Daytripper).
I would have had to made a custom seat pan and seat and decided against that. So i lowered it and live with it.

I'd highly suggest guys with seat and pillion to do this. Makes that rear end look right!
 
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Re:Rear Fender Mod ..... 1 Month, 2 Weeks ago  
Ctkog wrote:
Thanks everyone for the interest and great questions.

I'll get a couple kit's going, PM a couple of you and send them out with some instructions. When those guys get their mods done and get back to me then I'll be able to work on making some more available.

Thanks for your patience, doing it this way i'm hoping to make sure
there's no surprises and be more smooth install.

One question I need to ask. actually 4. Does anyone know if there are ANY differences at all between years regarding the fender mounting ... especially these..

1 vertical distance between the top and bottom mounting points

2 width of the upper fender mount (the one on the fender)

3 any changes in sizes of hardware

4 any bottom plastic mud gaurd changes

thanks


The answer is no to all 4 questions. No changes at all on those dimensions. The only changes I have seen made in that regard have been changes to the actual subframe strengthening it. But an early year subframe will bolt up to a newer year bike and vice versa. The mud guard mounts completely to the swingarm and they are unchanged as well. The base part numbers remain the same from the early to late models. Hope this helps. Great Idea, I may be interested in a set for my 06 down the road.

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Re:Rear Fender Mod ..... 1 Month, 2 Weeks ago  
HotRodStar wrote:
The answer is no to all 4 questions. No changes at all on those dimensions. The only changes I have seen made in that regard have been changes to the actual subframe strengthening it. But an early year subframe will bolt up to a newer year bike and vice versa. The mud guard mounts completely to the swingarm and they are unchanged as well. The base part numbers remain the same from the early to late models. Hope this helps. Great Idea, I may be interested in a set for my 06 down the road.

Rod


Awesome thanks. I didn't expect there to be any changes but it's good to have that confirmed.

Also thanks cike for checking what you did as well! I appreciate it.

I cut material Friday to make 25 kits. The trial kit's should go out Tuesday if the machine is available like I'm expecting Monday.

Any wanting a kit - PM or email me at hallr500@live.com
 
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Re:Rear Fender Mod ..... 1 Month, 2 Weeks ago  
I was interested but that's a bit too rich for my blood. Are you saying we have to buy 2 kits, one upper and 1 lower for $115 or $105 each? And how hard is the install? This isn't the H-D kitchen you're cooking for here. Lots of the guys here (self included) don't even have $3K invested in their whole bikes. I know for a fact that at least one guy who responded to you has less than $2K. If you have an H-D that's worth $10K+ it's easier to justify this kind of mod. Most guys on here will never see $10K total in their Roadstar riding experience. That's why they are on here, they can't afford to fix their bikes. I'm not trying to be an asshole, I'm just being realistic. It would also be different it this were a mod needed for basic maintenance, not just for eye candy. If it was something that meant going to the junk pile, or being able to keep riding. It's not a practical mod. There has been a few guys on here prior to you who thought they could fill some niche and make a few bucks in the process. Seems like they ended up with some extras in the process. Just be careful.

There are a few guys on here with lots of money, who are just incredibly cheap, and, therefore, happy with their Roadstars. But most are here out of necessity. And necessity ain't having a fender that looks 1 1/2 inches lower. I'll just leave it at that.



 
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Re:Rear Fender Mod ..... 1 Month, 2 Weeks ago  
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I was interested but that's a bit too rich for my blood. Are you saying we have to buy 2 kits, one upper and 1 lower for $115 or $105 each? And how hard is the install? This isn't the H-D kitchen you're cooking for here. Lots of the guys here (self included) don't even have $3K invested in their whole bikes. I know for a fact that at least one guy who responded to you has less than $2K. If you have an H-D that's worth $10K+ it's easier to justify this kind of mod. Most guys on here will never see $10K total in their Roadstar riding experience. That's why they are on here, they can't afford to fix their bikes. I'm not trying to be an asshole, I'm just being realistic. It would also be different it this were a mod needed for basic maintenance, not just for eye candy. If it was something that meant going to the junk pile, or being able to keep riding. It's not a practical mod. There has been a few guys on here prior to you who thought they could fill some niche and make a few bucks in the process. Seems like they ended up with some extras in the process. Just be careful.

There are a few guys on here with lots of money, who are just incredibly cheap, and, therefore, happy with their Roadstars. But most are here out of necessity. And necessity ain't having a fender that looks 1 1/2 inches lower. I'll just leave it at that.


FB, no it is $115 for the entire kit which includes the upper brackets, the lower offset spacers and the hardware to do one complete motorcycle rear fender. The price of 105 is the price for the kits if you were to get more than one. Some guys have more than one roadstar they want it for.

I understand that people don't have a ton of money. After materials hardware machinist's time and paying for shipping and paypal fees there honestly isn't a shit ton of profit and I'm not going to do it for free. It takes a little to make a good product that isn't poorly made with inferior materials from China. When I came up with the price I ran it by several guys I work with who ride cruisers to price it fair and reasonable.

If you're in some tough times right now just shoot me a PM and we'll figure something out. I want you to have one.

edit: I also had the upper brackets looked at by engineering since they hold on to the fender structural subframe. The effort to engineer it right I feel is more than most people might do. Can I guarantee it. No, because anyone can abuse anything to the point of stressing or destroying it. I don't think even Yamaha can guarantee every critical part to never fail but I've done due diligence to hopefully have designed it well for you guys.
 
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Re:Rear Fender Mod ..... 1 Month, 2 Weeks ago  
Hey, I get it, And I'm sure $115 isn't enough to touch it if they were being made at a legit parts manufacturer. They would want that much just for the R&D part of it. And I'm not asking to beat you down to a lower price either. It's just that I have seen people come on here and get hurt thinking they have a bigger market than they actually have. Remember, this site is worldwide and has been up several years, and this is all there is? That's a tiny , tiny market. Only an enthusiast would tool up for 25, and the truth is, you may have a hard time selling those. Oh, yea, I want it. Don't even mind paying $115, I think that's totally fair. It's just when and if I can do it. Personally I'm facing some health issues that may take me out of the saddle permanently, so I'd be considering that first of all. It's not so much a financial hardship is as it is, is it smart to spend that on a bike you may never get to ride again?

I wish you the best of luck with this project. We have had members come on here and tool up bag lowering kits, grab bars, all sorts of shit. They, and you, all enrich the experience for us few lucky recipients. Thank you.


 
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Re:Rear Fender Mod ..... 1 Month, 2 Weeks ago  
Father_Pobasturd wrote:
Hey, I get it, And I'm sure $115 isn't enough to touch it if they were being made at a legit parts manufacturer. They would want that much just for the R&D part of it. And I'm not asking to beat you down to a lower price either. It's just that I have seen people come on here and get hurt thinking they have a bigger market than they actually have. Remember, this site is worldwide and has been up several years, and this is all there is? That's a tiny , tiny market. Only an enthusiast would tool up for 25, and the truth is, you may have a hard time selling those. Oh, yea, I want it. Don't even mind paying $115, I think that's totally fair. It's just when and if I can do it. Personally I'm facing some health issues that may take me out of the saddle permanently, so I'd be considering that first of all. It's not so much a financial hardship is as it is, is it smart to spend that on a bike you may never get to ride again?

I wish you the best of luck with this project. We have had members come on here and tool up bag lowering kits, grab bars, all sorts of shit. They, and you, all enrich the experience for us few lucky recipients. Thank you.



Thank you Steve! Yep you got me pegged I am somewhat of an enthusiast. was thinking the same as you that I'll probably be lucky to sell 25 kits. But that's okaay. It's fun and I'm enjoying the process either way. It's not so much about the money, if I make a few bucks fine but the bigger goal is just to share the idea with you all.

Really sorry for all the health issues you're having at this time. In truth it's a pretty easy install but do you think you'd be able to handle that physically or would you want some help? I was thinking maybe one of us that lives near you could stop by and give you a hand with it and get a ride in with you afterwards. I'd love to visit Scorpion Gulch. The name alone has me wanting to wear some rattlesnake chaps, throw on a gun holster and ride on chrome horses to the local tavern for some whisky. (Chasing it with some Scorpion juice beer of course.)

Let us know what we can do to help you keep riding brother, would love to to see you able to get back in the saddle more often and I'm sure that would keep that smile on your face. Do you plan to get a seat modified so you're not hurting so bad when you get home? There's gotta be a way. I'm with you on riding till you can't ride no more.
 
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