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Barnett question (clutch) 2 Weeks ago  
For those of you who have done this...

Im looking at buying the clutch pack (steels and friction) as well as the spring conversion.

I have MANY questions: (God knows how many it will be before the end of the day)

is there any reason NOT to do the spring conversion?

are the "heavy Duty" (#501-82-06023) springs a good thing to do for normal street riding?

buy directly from Barnett? or ... (where did you get yours)

Doing a lot of reading re: frictions and steels.. My bike has over 80K on it. Should I replace frictions, steels? Stock or Carbon Fiber, or ???

Now a question on the Clutch Throwout bearing on the Barnett. Has that issue been resolved, or is it really even an issue?


If you have any other suggestions ( or tips ) please feel free to chime in.
 
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Re:Barnett question (clutch) 2 Weeks ago  
I haven't heard to many reasons not to do the spring conversation. Most people say unless your plates are glazed or just plain gone, there may be no reason to replace the plates. Yamaha plates on these things are known to be almost bullet proof.

When I did mine, I went ahead and installed the HD springs, and have never looked back. Some people say there's too much tension on the lever, I personally disagree, so your call

I purchased mine from Barnett directly because I could get the HD springs and the kit all in one place. Again your call.you won't regret installing the set up.

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Re:Barnett question (clutch) 2 Weeks ago  
It is VERY likely that you do not need to replace either the frictons or the steels in the clutch. 99.9 percent of the time the OEM junk clutch spring has gone bad. You are going to replace the clutch anyway so take it apart ahead of time and measure the frictions with a dial caliper. I personally changed out the clutch on my 02 to a Barnett when it had 80K miles on it and did not even bother with those parts, your mileage may be different. The standard Barnett springs are more than adequate for a engine with the normal carb/intake/exhaust mods. Also, I have not seen it mentioned in a while but the OEM frictions are as good if not better than the Barnett's if you do decide to replace them.

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Re:Barnett question (clutch) 2 Weeks ago  
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It is VERY likely that you do not need to replace either the frictons or the steels in the clutch. 99.9 percent of the time the OEM junk clutch spring has gone bad. You are going to replace the clutch anyway so take it apart ahead of time and measure the frictions with a dial caliper. I personally changed out the clutch on my 02 to a Barnett when it had 80K miles on it and did not even bother with those parts, your mileage may be different. The standard Barnett springs are more than adequate for a engine with the normal carb/intake/exhaust mods. Also, I have not seen it mentioned in a while but the OEM frictions are as good if not better than the Barnett's if you do decide to replace them.

Rod


Thanks for the info. That could save me another $200. I have been reading a thread on Barnett's clutch throwout bearing
http://roadstarclinic.com/component/option,com_fireboard/Itemid,187/func,view/id,1022056/catid,13/
that has me concerned. Unfortunately, I not familiar enough with the issue to make a decision.
 
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Re:Barnett question (clutch) 2 Weeks ago  
I replaced my clutch a few years ago when it started slipping. I got the whole kit from someone here. But when I took it all apart the friction disks were hardly worn. I mic'd them and they were well within spec. I think I had about 30k miles then. So technically I only needed to replace the spring. Oh well.

I recently ordered the Barnett conversion and the HD springs. It got them from Parts Giant through eBay. Cheapest I could find. $153 with free shipping for both.

https://www.ebay.com/itm/Barnett-Spring-Conversion-Kit-511-90-10002-Yamaha/332419867144

https://www.ebay.com/itm/Barnett-Heavy-Duty-Clutch-Springs-501-82-06023-Yamaha-Suzuki/391941500326

And don't be like me and forget to order the gasket.

https://www.ebay.com/itm/1999-2014-Yamaha-Road-Star-XV17-Clutch-Cover-Gasket-5VN-15451-00-XV1600/311132087344
 
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Re:Barnett question (clutch) 1 Week, 6 Days ago  
Tykes_Place wrote:
I replaced my clutch a few years ago when it started slipping. I got the whole kit from someone here. But when I took it all apart the friction disks were hardly worn. I mic'd them and they were well within spec. I think I had about 30k miles then. So technically I only needed to replace the spring. Oh well.

I recently ordered the Barnett conversion and the HD springs. It got them from Parts Giant through eBay. Cheapest I could find. $153 with free shipping for both.

https://www.ebay.com/itm/Barnett-Spring-Conversion-Kit-511-90-10002-Yamaha/332419867144

https://www.ebay.com/itm/Barnett-Heavy-Duty-Clutch-Springs-501-82-06023-Yamaha-Suzuki/391941500326

And don't be like me and forget to order the gasket.

https://www.ebay.com/itm/1999-2014-Yamaha-Road-Star-XV17-Clutch-Cover-Gasket-5VN-15451-00-XV1600/311132087344


Thanks for the info. My current thinking is to buy the "Yamaha Clutch kit" 4WM-W001G-00-00 ($115 on Amazon. Mainly just to be safe and replace my high mileage parts while i'm there. If the stock frictions are as good as they appear to be, then the kit provides all kinds of new parts and gaskets at significant savings over individual parts. Also will be buying the Barnett kit ($131 on Amazon) plus another $22 for the HD springs (also on amazon.)

Any thoughts?

I'm still concerned about the bearing in the Barnett. Any more info re: that?
 
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Re:Barnett question (clutch) 1 Week, 6 Days ago  
I got mine from Amazon and have not had any problems.
 
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Re:Barnett question (clutch) 1 Week, 6 Days ago  
The stock Yamaha clutch pack and plates are actually pretty good; it's the clutch spring that's the weak link.

As for the spring, the only reason *not* to go with the Barnett clutch spring is price and the extra work involved. They *will* do the job... [And THEN some.] They're based on a design for Pro Harley Drag bikes with bored out cylinders, big fat cams, nitrous and forced induction; so they will *not* let you down. And they look cool too, but once you put the side cover back on, no one will ever know.

As someone said, the lever action is a little bit stiffer, but if you don't mind, you'll just have a little more definition in your left forearm. [and people might ask you to open jars for them.] And if you're right handed, it may just balance you out... If you know what I mean... *cough* *cough* Rosie palm and her five sisters... *cough*.

That said, at a *fraction* of the price, the EBC clutch spring will do just fine too; even for a typically modded R*. [that is unless you're running the afore mentioned pro drag bike mods of course.] It will save you quite a bit of time too. [but sacrifice that sexy left forearm.]

Either way you can't go wrong.
 
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Re:Barnett question (clutch) 1 Week, 6 Days ago  
My take on the two clutches, stock vs Barrett. Two different Road Stars. I found the stock clutch with my 2006 RS has a tad more friction zone, a bit more forgiving, thus less "grab" when easing out vs the 2003 108ci with the Barrett clutch.

The Barrett is more akin to my ex 1100 V Star shaft drive clutch, a bit more like an on and off switch initially until I got used to it. When the Barrett grabs it grabs. It has a smaller friction zone. I found I had to use the blipping throttle technique to dial in the sweet spot of the friction zone for slow turns.

What clutch would I recommend? All being said, I enjoy the Barrett as it takes more skill to slow turn due to the unforgiving nature of it when the clutch engages. Because of the increase in torque of the 2003, 108ci the Barrett seemed grabby, so if I goofed up in the slightest, the bike would lurch forwards. Different clutch, different torque, seat, and handlebars, thus the bike felt different than my 2006 stock bike.

Once I got used to the Barrett it is a thing of beauty. I feel super confident on my 2006 with the stock clutch, but have to have my game face on the 2003 with the superior Barrett clutch.

When I transitioned to the 2003 108ci with Barrett, it took some getting used to. Not so much for regular riding, that was easy, but tight slow practicing in parking lots turning under 21' and attempting 18' turns.

When passing, shifting and hole shots the Barrett wins. Friction zone forgiveness, the stock clutch requires less skill.

As Doc mentioned, your right hand will become stronger. Your skill using the friction zone will improve. When practicing ride like a Pro type maneuvers, I call my technique "Iron fisting". Once I find the friction zone, the hand locks itself in the sweet spot and needs very little variation to operate within the zone.

Barrett = quality.

I bought an EBC for the 2006 due to financial considerations but never installed it. That bike is getting a new owner next week. Thus I cannot speak for the EBC but if it works, it's all good.
 
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Re:Barnett question (clutch) 1 Week, 6 Days ago  
Thanks for that. Did you get stock Barnett springs, or the HD springs (or 50 / 50 )?
 
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