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Re:Roadstar engine running weak 2 Years, 8 Months ago  
Doomed has a significant point. The gasoline we are getting these days ain't what it used to be. Dump some octane booster in the tank just for the heck of it. It could be fuel delivery circuit like the tech said, but if it was being starved of fuel, it would be evident from the color of the plugs. Lean
 
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Re:Roadstar engine running weak 2 Years, 8 Months ago  
when you start it up it runs fine on idle but if you give it gas doesw it fall flat, you could be hot pipes jsut letting it sit there running, take an old plug check spark for each cylinder under a load in the garage. you might have spark at idle but underload might loose it
that is waht we found out with mine, the throttle cables are close to the right side coil plug in from the harness and over time rubbed the boot and the throttle cable bare and grounded me out take a peek at that
 
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Re:Roadstar engine running weak 2 Years, 8 Months ago  
Well, these are all good ideas, but when I mentioned that the tech replaced the fuel I didn't note it but he used a higher octane. No difference. Also, the coils, wires and igintion have all been replaced, so the old leaking coil problem so inherent with the stock coils is not at issue at this point. The problem occurred prior to and after replacement of all those items. This is also effecting the entire engine cycle and not a single plug. There are no backfires or misses, no rough idle and it performs smoothly at high speed, just no power.

The Y rep seems pretty convinced that it's an air-fuel problem but not certain where at this point. I received a call today that someone will be contacting me to arrange a place I can take it so they can determine its performance on a dyno or similar situtation. A call has also been placed to Mikuni to see if they have any input to offer as well. The rep said that the discussion with the tech clearly indicated no problems with the engine, with excellent compression and no leak-down, spark is good all the way around through the RPM spectrum and the electrical diagnostics were all within the anticipated ranges.

That pretty much leaves a fuel/air issue of some type to contend with and I'll let you know what they find.

thanks for the help.
 
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Re:Roadstar engine running weak 2 Years, 8 Months ago  
I'm thinking bad lifters, but how could they go bad at the same time?

They could have leaked down during the night and not pumped back up again.

How's your oil?
 
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Re:Roadstar engine running weak 2 Years, 8 Months ago  
PROBLEM FOUND . .. .FINALLY!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Thanks to everyone for their thoughts and ideas. I had taken the bike into the dealer to have new tires put on and while it was there, the lead mechanic decided to take a run at the problem himself and went through the carburetor, the ignition, coils, etc. and couldn't find anything. He adjusted the carb a little richer but said he thought it had not made a difference. I took it for a ride and it was no different and by the time I got home with it, it was even worse.

When placing my boot over the bottom exhaust tip, I could hold it there more firmly and the sound from the back cylinder of the open top exhaust had that characteristic heavy potato sound. But when I tried to close off the top exhaust, it kept knocking my boot away and the sound from the front cylinder of the open bottom pipe was extremely weak with no potato sound at all.

IT WAS TIME FOR THE ENGINE TO COME DOWN. I took down the front cylinder and removed the head. Went to the dealership and met with the mechanic. We worked like hell to get the valves out of it, one exhaust valve even appeared to be slightly bent, not to the eye but the manner necessary to remove it. We had to use a puller to yank the valve free from the head. The valve seats were holding but the valve action itself was so jammed that I likely had a piston strike on the suspicious exhaust valve at some point. Carbon was mounted all over the exhaust valves and the left forward intake even had carbon from back-pressure through to the intake on the other side. This was way beyond a sticky valve situtation. We had lost patency of the valve train almost entirely on the front cylinder.

This was definitely something that all the sea-foam in the world couldn't have resolved and it just goes to show that a standard compression test won't tell you whether everything is fine with the valve train. We had excellent compression on the test with no leak down, but that's because it was tested by just an engine-off rotation or two and NOT under running conditions. With the engine running, the failure of the valve train began to quickly diminish the compression performance of the front cylinder. The more it ran, the worse the valve problem became.

The repair????

Well, starting off with new 10:1 hi-comp pistons from Patrick Racing, new lifters and rods all the way around, stainless +2mm valves all the way around, recut the seats and port/polish the heads, competition dual valve springs with titanium keepers, Mikuni 42mm carb and a Patrick Racing ported intake manifold. We're going to leave the cam alone for now. The mechanic races bikes on the weekends and is an excellent tech on hi-performance parts. He's certain that we can steeply improve performance and compression, along with curing the valve problem, without the addition of the cam which will only add increased response at mid-range about 3200rpm or so and up. The new springs will add 20% or so increased pressure at the seats, the work to the heads, intake etc. will reduce carbon build-up and increase flow. It's already had dyna coils and ignition added to round out the package.

Parts started arriving yesterday and by Tuesday, I'll be refitting it. He said when we're done with the improvements, it'll be a whole new riding experience.

So, I'll let you know how it all turns out, but that was the problem.

take it easy.
 
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Re:Roadstar engine running weak 2 Years, 8 Months ago  
So you actually did have SVS... the mother of all SVS! Glad you got it figured out and will be running (really running) again soon!
 
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Re:Roadstar engine running weak 2 Years, 8 Months ago  
Sounds like your going to have one sweet ride when your done.
 
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Re:Roadstar engine running weak 2 Years, 8 Months ago  
rlrigsby101 wrote: The repair????
Well, starting off with new 10:1 hi-comp pistons from Patrick Racing, new lifters and rods all the way around, stainless +2mm valves all the way around, recut the seats and port/polish the heads, competition dual valve springs with titanium keepers, Mikuni 42mm carb and a Patrick Racing ported intake manifold.


That's not a repair...it's a complete renovation!

Let us know how she runs when the new stuff is broken in.
 
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Re:Roadstar engine running weak 2 Years, 8 Months ago  
I'd be bummed if I had to tear down my engine to find that. He seems just a little over enthused about it. Got any pictures of the carbon build up
 
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Re:Roadstar engine running weak 2 Years, 8 Months ago  
SUCCESS. Problem fixed.


What a difference. I decided to go for the cams as well, including crane roller lifters and we went to 100mm on the pistons with Patrick bore kit. We skipped porting the heads. Too long of a wait. We just got through with the rebuild about 11am or so and I've been riding it for a couple of hours. The setup sounds absolutely incredible through my straight pipes and it reminds me of the sound of a fuel car at the track. Definitely a wicked sound. It's running extremely tight and the torque/acceleration at low end is a real eye-opener. In fact, with the suicide shifter arrangement, I need to be careful accelerating off the line. Maybe too responsive. Where I had somewhat of a lag with the stock setup, a tap of the throttle now causes the bike to respond immediately. It has a definite change in the ride and the compression boost, together with the hi-lift cams, makes for some roughness that wasn't there before. But overall, I'm extremely pleased. It definitely marks the end of using this bike over the highway. With this setup, it's just a beach cruiser now. I'm sure my gas milage just went out the window as well.

the final opinion was that it looks like one of the exhaust valves was bent and that the carbon buildup really had nothing much to do with the problem at all. We had to replace one valve guide because it looked scored from where we had to remove the valve with some force.

back in business . . . with a lot more power.
 
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