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Re:Puking Carb??? 2 Years, 2 Months ago  
If you do the Pumpless MOD as suggested in the article and you put in a Pingle Hi Flow fuel valve and Hi Flo Fuel Filter w stock size line. I will personally guarantee you will not have starvation issues. I load my bike up Two up and beyond Max GVWR with a CAR TIRE on the rear (SO more weight again) and I can Drag with it and never run out of fuel. Mind you, with the stock fuel Petcock, Yes I did, right at top end. Just want to make it clear. Makcap is pumpless with a 42 and he also never runs out of fuel.

If you do all of Pumpless mod, You will not run out of fuel or run into any more problems with fuel.

Always shut the fuel off anyways for safety and to extend life of float valve.

Report problem to NHTSA anyways. Yamaha left us in the cold, dangerously cold, who cares about them they can't fix it? Yea I got same excuse, it's the gas. I tried all gas including farm gas and no deal.
 
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Re:Puking Carb??? 2 Years, 2 Months ago  
Does this Pingle hi-flow valve bolt right in place of the exiting petcock? Do you have a part number available? I'm sure there is a tech article on the RSC detailing the move to pumpless. If I have any problems finding it I may send you a PM for help.

From what I've read so far, there is a Suzuki needle and seat that works on the RS carb. Is there a PN for this item? My local dealer Yamaha dealer carries Suzuki too so that may help in obtaining this part.

This RSClinic has been a wealth of info and I really appreciate all of the support! It's unfortunate that the manufacturer of this motorcycle can't provide the same!
 
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Re:Puking Carb??? 2 Years, 2 Months ago  
Yes, the Tech article is sort of hidden, I have also had trouble finding it for it's title. I can help.

You go to tech section, go down to Stock Carb title, 2nd sub title is this.
Change the Float Bowl Needle Valve (and lose your fuel pump)
Click on that.

I am going to outline this a bit for you as it is confusing.
You may well do the Suzuki Jet PN 13370-08F50 (Be sure it is right b 4 you leave dealer mine was wrong) There is another PN listed, this is preferred. It is the newest Part Number. About $40.00

Anytime you jack with the bowl, you want to install new screws as the old ones take the Jap Screwdriver or you will strip them. It's wise to smack the driver with a hard tap before removing the screws to break em loose. Anyways when you get them out. replace as article says. W new M4 .7mm X 10 mm screws. Yamaha will have them as well as hardware stores, go Allen head. This is in the article.

Pretty much do as article says, Everything. Especially the small screen removal in the inlet on the carb.

Remove your old pump as instructed in tech article, it takes all of like 15 minutes,

Maxair engineering.com is who has the whole kit available with everything but the Suzuki jet, @$167 its not a bad deal. you get.

Pingle High Flow Petcock w/ RoadStar adapter plate (MUST HAVE)
Pingle High Flow Fuel Filter (MUST HAVE)
Clear Braid Reinforced Fuel Line (SWAG)
Fuel Line Clamps (LOCAL SCORE)
Round File to enlarge hole on Gas tank slightly for Pingle (using a round file makes this very simple and pulls shavings out of gas tank leaving none inside) (HEY! A BONUS TOOL FOR THE SHOP!)
Instructions (Yippeeeee!)
(Kit does not include float needle valve) (You get that locally at Suzuki dealer)


Just go to MAXAIR Engineering website and click on :
No Fuel Pump Mod - 1999-2007 Yamaha RoadStar Complete Kit
I Highly suggest ordering and installing the Maxair adjustable PMS screw also. (What a saver)

You can order just the Pingle Fuel Cock and the Hi Flow Fuel filter if you want. I get no money for Max Air sales. I hear the guy is great, He sent me the Stuff. I am 100% happy with all of it and I am hard to please.
The fuel flow valve is SO, SO, SO much easier to turn off and on (It slides easily front to rear....and RES is EASY to find while riding, yes, I do that! It flows a LOT more fuel and is a serious upgrade compared to stock. I wish I had them pictured side by side.

There is a slight MOD to your tank, you have to enlarge the hole a bit, 10 min max, More fuel flow needs larger hole. No ill effects and stock Valve will still re-install if you wish. You will have your tank off for the install. I put the file in a drill and whaaaaaaaaaa Done in like 9 seconds LOL.

Ok, so you will have. A spanking new Hi Flow Pingle fuel valve, a1 Chrome and easy to operate, this will join a short (2" or so) fuel line, Cover it with spring from stock line. That will Join up to the Reusable and cleanable Pingle Hi Flow Fuel filter...... From there your fuel line goes Under the manifold and into the Carb, where it will flow fuel to the Suzuki Float Valve direct. Everything else will work as it does now, No re jet or any of that. Just be sure float is set right and Fire it up. You may need to adjust the PMS a bit but hey! You did order the MAXAIR PMS screw right?


Now, that fuel pump you took off is worthless, You can attach it to a gas can and attach some longer hoses and use it as a fuel transfer pump for your lawn equipment. Use a Power-pack for power, put a cig lighter end on it. Or, go steal enough gas at a parking lot to pay for this MOD. (Bad Joke)

You don't have to do this all at once all in one day. But you can and probably should. I did the Jet one day, Took the pump off and ran a line direct from tank to carb no filter and ran like 6K miles like that, no problem, but I would run out of fuel Fully loaded in a drag race. So, Pingle! Then I ordered and installed Pingle Hi Flo Filter and fuel valve.

It's a very sweet upgrade, you got rid of a part that is bound to fail you some day anyways. No way you will ever waste fuel again, Great reusable and cleanable filter so you will save money on filters too, and every time you shut your fuel off, you will appreciate the smooth and easy operation of pingle!

Only thing left to do is Write FHTSA with your complaint because Yamaha could be doing all this stuff to our bikes for free! Save your receipts! They may be forced to pay for this gas wasting fire trap of a mistake someday!

If I missed anything, I am sure my fellow RSC people will be along to add to it, or correct me. But this is an outline that will get you going and know that it's about a $200 MOD.
 
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Re:Puking Carb??? 2 Years, 2 Months ago  
 
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Re:Puking Carb??? 2 Years, 2 Months ago  
GUYS,SORRY ABOUT THE MESSED UP DBL POST .

I SEE FOR SOME REASON THE SYSTEM DBL'D MY POST WHEN I WAS IN EDIT MODE PIXING A TYPO .

SO NOW WHEN I GO BACK INTO EDIT MODE TO DELET THE 2ND COPY IT ONLY SHOWS 1 COPY WHEN I AM IN EDIT MODE ,I DONT KNOW WHAT HAPPENED OR HOW TO GET RIGDOF RHE 2ND COPY POST SO I ERASED IT.

SORRY ABOUT THAT

SCOTT
 
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Re:Puking Carb??? 2 Years, 2 Months ago  
I tried the insulation on the fuel line.......

Insulation PLUS the spring....

The 2K stuff from Summit automotive.

Ditched the factory fuel line after I tried to insulate that,

Insulated the Bowl, (This helped for a while)

Here is the YAMAHA paid warranty insulating the bowl pic. (Try to adjust a PMS with that on!



I thought about putting the old fuel cooler with the dry ice in it on, but.... well.
And I did try farm fresh fuel, no additives, and summer fuel and every type of fuel and fuel additive known to man. Guess what worked? Pumpless. Mind you dealer paid for ALL my Mods except the Pumpless, Although they paid for some parts of that Mod as well. SO I did all this over about 30K miles in 18 months on their dime. And, It always puked.
Scott, you do have a good description of whats happening, but I think your puke will be back. All my insulation MODs worked for a while, like 3K miles and Back!
 
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Re:Puking Carb??? 2 Years, 2 Months ago  
I SENT YOU A PM WITH THE CARB PUKE INFO THAT WOULD NOT POST RIGHT ,1ST TIME I HAD ANYTHING LIKE THAT HAPPEN WHEN POSTING HERE,VERY STRANGE IN DEED.

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Re:Puking Carb??? 2 Years, 2 Months ago  
AGAIN,IT SURE WORKED FOR ME, WHO KNOW'S, I AM NOT THROWING STONES AT ALL BUT JUST MAYBE BETWEEN USING MORE OF THAT HIGH QUALITY SPACE AGE INSULATING MATERIAL AND ALSO MAYBE I DID A LITTLE BETTER JOB AT INSUALTING THE FUEL SYSTEM TOO IS WHY IT FIXED THE ISSUE FOR ME.

BUT A 85-90 DEG DAY THIS SUMMER WILL TELL THE FULL STORY ON THAT ONE./LOL!!!!!

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Re:Puking Carb??? 2 Years, 2 Months ago  
Yea, wish people would take pictures, Mine bragged it was space age too, Like $15 $20 for a foot?


By all means people, do what is cheapest 1st. Or.... do it all like I did. Your dealer will PU the tab too.
We have way too many threads on the same subject. I'm going to the default reply, Do a search!
 
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