SKWEARpeg wrote:
gfolkert wrote:
ITINs have been around since *well* before this administration. Well more than a decade... July 1, 1996.

So has this been going on since 1996, and nobody has said anything until now, or have the numerous changes from it inception until now, allowed this in the last 5 years?
It could be the slow wheels of bureaucracy grinding along. It is apparently to difficult to cure the fraud in Medicare, maybe this is just another symptom of fraud that requires to much work to chase down.
I find it hard to believe that just one accountant who does tax returns for aliens with ITIN's, is the only one to know there is a problem.
There have to be bells and whistles all over the IRS going off about this. Maybe its just easier to run down citizens who aren't going to flee back across the border, then it is to track down illegals who either never get an IRS letter, or simply ignore it if they do.
They literally have nothing to lose. What do they care if the IRS throws a fit.
Just another lane on the highway of good intentions.

Its been happening for more than 5 years... I worked for a Steel Company in the late 90s. It worked for Mexican illegals, Korean Illegals, Phillipine Illegals, Indian Illegals.

Some of the legals with "green cards" etc... that had brothers working at other companies claimed the same children in the foreign countries.

I actually discussed this with my Tax accountant in 1998. Said it was all legal.

Here is an updated link for ITINs (its not an official link from the Fed Gov):
http://immigrationimpact.com/2009/06/30/individual-taxpayer-identification-numbers-itins-not-an-immigration-benefit/

I'm still trying to chase down the actual legislation that created ITIN. It was a joint effort between the Republicans to get the IRS off businesses back for employing undocumented workers and the Democrats to try and get more tax revenue in. There were other bi-partisan reasons as well.

gfolkert wrote:
jd750ace wrote:
Apathetic asses think it is just a drop in the bucket! If you add up this crap, welfare fraud, medicare, medicaid, social security, and corporate welfare, I think we are talking about more than a drop, but it's easier for the socialists to simply suggest we take more from the wealthy people. You know, the people that spend their money on stuff like Airplanes, that pay all my bills?
I thought of something else the other day. I heard that the I.P.O. for Facebook was estimated to be between 85 and 95 BILLION. I wonder if all these knot-heads without jobs and ambition that are "occupying" are considering how much of the "evil beast of wealth" they are feeding between the I-pads, facebook, and wireless plans they are paying for to run this sham?

This country is in the hurt locker.

Finally. Finally. Someone other than myself feels this way.
Oh, There are plenty of us who feel as you do about this.. the problem is we are outnumbered..

gfolkert wrote:


I'm still trying to chase down the actual legislation that created ITIN. It was a joint effort between the Republicans to get the IRS off businesses back for employing undocumented workers and the Democrats to try and get more tax revenue in. There were other bi-partisan reasons as well.


The bipartisan part, comes from the realization by both parties clear back in the early 90's(and before. I think our population growth started to flatline clear back in the late 70's), that SS was going in the tank. The worker demographic was running out of legal reinforcements from the US. The huge imbalance that was being created between those working to add money to SS, and those taking money out, was growing on the horizon at an alarming rate.
Then too, there is the ever present desire to pander to the "latino/hispanic" vote, by streamlining citizenship. Both parties pant after the "latino/hispanic" vote, like dogs after a bitch in heat.
No one was more PO'd at Bush when he went all weak kneed regarding the border security issues, and the building of the fence, then myself. Having Obama joke about some wanting alligators in a moat, and taking Arizona to court, was icing on the cake.
The politicians in Washington see those crossing the border legally, and illegally, as the salvation of their grand ponzi scheme known as SS.....and some, the coming to fruition of "a great redistribution of wealth" on a Global basis.
They are willing to tolerate the abuse because they can collect monies to fund SS etc. for now. They probably consider the abuse, the cost of doing business for the time being. Anything to kick the can down the road for another day, and let the problem fall in the lap of whoever catches the hot potato. The same way that they inflated the lending bubble for 30 years, until it blew up in 05,06, and 07, that resulted in the TARP fiasco in 08, and 09.
In all likelyhood, they see going soft on illegals, as a sort of trap. A lure to bring them in. Future slaves to taxation.
Those who are all for raising taxes on "the wealthy", just don't get 'it' regarding the need for revenues from a thriving and strong econmomy, that needs workers(and alot of them) contributing on a regular basis in order to function at all.

By law....anybody who is claimed as a dependent by a ITIN filer, has to also file the ITIN(or similar) paperwork. They probably are filing the paperwork(maybe ), it's just that the dependents aren't where their supposed to be(and never were), and the IRS would rather chase down something they can catch, instead of stopping the gravy train of monies collected from illegals who do register, and peeing off politicians who are courting, the "latino/hispanic" vote.

They are dealing with "the devil they know". You or I couldn't play the game fast and loose and get away with it, because neither one of us, are "judgement proof", nor can we skip back across the border. Nor, do we have somebody trying to curry favor with a particular voting block for political moxey.

In the end, those in Washington who are encouraging the migration to the US, are willing to use whatever incentives they can to get them here, and make them legal, they want to postpone the inevitable collapse of SS as long as they can, perpetuate their redistribution schemes, and, attempt to fill the population with people who could care less, about what our Constitution says.

Its to bad we can't seem to get to a "Flat tax", or a "Fair tax", or a precurser to the "Fair tax" like Herman Cain's 999. Then, everybody who lives in this country, and enjoys the benefits would have to contribute. If we did that, all these games would come to an end, where illegals are concerned.

Pretending we don't have a problem with voter fraud, and throwing a hissey fit about Photo ID's and or proof of citizenship requirements for voting, are just more tricks to win votes and encourage people to come to the US(besides the chance to vote, vote often, vote where ever, and vote even if your dead). It is the specter of a great Social Democracy where everybody can have a say regardless, versus the Republic we have that some of us are trying to save.

Was going to reply/contribute to this last nite. Ended up being to angry to say anything. SWearpeg says it very well.
No doubt both parties are to blame but, the you did it, so we can do it bull...t make me so
The progressives push their agenda in small increments. When the so called silent majority finally wakes up it might be to late.
We've got to educate ourselves, our kids, grandkids to this crap. The government run public school system sure isn't. I don't know if
we're outnumbered yet. I do know we're much to silent. To hell with politcal correctness. Time is running out, speak out, make damn sure you vote. If they don't do what they promised, vote them out! Get involved locally...