I've got 1.25" x 14" apes with 4" over stock cables and Barons DT pullback risers. VERY comfortable. It puts my hands right at my shoulders, I personally wouldn't like them any higher for the comfort of the ride. I picked mine up off ebay from Jireh Cycles for $69 shipped pre drilled for internal wiring with pull wires in already, step down at the grips and risers. I only had to drill a hole for the throttle housing to attach.